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Anderson left Harvard before getting his PhD because he came to view the field much as Boykin does—as an intellectual pursuit of diminishing returns. But that’s not the case on the internet. “Implicit in ‘the internet’ is the scope, the coverage of it,” Anderson says. “It makes opportunities are much greater, but it also enriches the challenge space, the problem space. There is intellectual upside.” Was thinking of p…

Interesting.. would you suggest some to follow? And what is the current consensus/debate? We are 20 years out of NAFTA and free trade with China. I see a lot of journeymen/trades that do well in union gigs, police/fire/teachers and blue collar professionals... Those who aren't doing well are people outside of this (service/retail) and illegal immigrants. I guess manufacturing was a union gig that one could get into..…

Noah Smith tries to describe the overall state of macro in this recent post: https://www.bloomberg.com/view/articles/2017-01-11/tribal-wa...

He starts out strong and gives a good overview of the "schools" that have been laid to rest, but concludes on some kind of utopian, happy note that I don't believe he has any evidence to support. But then again he spends most of his time in conversation with leading economists (I think) so he should have a pretty good idea of what's up.

Paul Romer has a good summary of the state of macro in his 9/16 paper "The Trouble With Macroeconomics". Here's the abstract:

For more than three decades, macroeconomics has gone backwards. The treatment of identification now is no more credible than in the early 1970s but escapes challenge because it is so much more opaque. Macroeconomic theorists dismiss mere facts by feigning an obtuse ignorance about such simple assertions as "tight monetary policy can cause a recession." Their models attribute fluctuations in aggregate variables to imaginary causal forces that are not influenced by the action that any person takes. A parallel with string theory from physics hints at a general failure mode of science that is triggered when respect for highly regarded leaders evolves into a deference to authority that displaces objective fact from its position as the ultimate determinant of scientific truth.

It's a good one...https://paulromer.net/wp-content/uploads/2016/09/WP-Trouble....

Personally, just from reading books and papers it seems like there are very few economic clans left, just economic celebrities (Krugman, Varoufakis, etc.) and the profession's credibility is suffering due to the Fed (and other leading central banks) inability to make anything happen with an empty clip monetary policy wise.

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post #125

While being a student a physics professor told me: "Study physics now. Because later when you have a job, you might get paid to learn using some software tool or a new programming language. But no company will ever send you into a quantum mechanics lecture. " He was right.

If you make enough money, you can send yourself.

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Considering how competitive physics graduate programs are at top schools it is a shame to hear that so few are pursuing careers in physics and some appear to be calculating in advance their move to CS. I love CS but if I had a passion for physics I would be pissed to see someone that society, schools, mentors, peers have invested in to do physics go be quant at an investment bank. It is not that working for a bank is intrinsically bad, more the case that individuals should consider the opportunity they may have been taking from others in pursuing a specialized education they subsequently don't use.

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I sat right next to a really smart guy who was a hadoop administrator.

Turns out he got a PhD in theoretical physics and did some graduate work at Fermilab.

Holy crap...this run of the mill Hadoop administrator is some kind of physics genius.

I asked him why....he said that his true love, particle physics, just didn't pay the bills like any random IT related job does.

Which is a damn shame.

PS: While we were talking, a dude one row over popped up and said he had a PhD in Chemistry or something.

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I don't get it. I'm studying physics because I want to help shed light on the mysteries of reality. It might be hard to get a job in physics and achieve that, but it's a hell of a lot harder to get in a job in software development and achieve that. Despite this, all I'm reading is optimism about how well-paying and interesting software development is for physicists. So what? If those were my primary concerns, I would…

Don't give up. It is possible to have a career in physics. It's not the easy path: academia has its many challenges, and software is in it's glory days. But the Universe is still there, and there is still so much to learn.

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Is there a huge difference between physics PhDs and computer science PhDs in this argument? Both are overspecialized in their research, but both also have a wide range of skills in programming, abstract problem solving, writing, communication, and so on. Both will likely have high-level knowledge of a variety of machine learning methods, except the CS PhD that actually published machine learning research who will know a bit more about some very specific topics.

(I'm a CS PhD and I know many physics PhDs as well.)

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post #134

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Many institutions have a hard rule that says you can't start a postdoc if you're more than 5 years out of your PhD program (discounting any time for parental leave, medical leaves of absence, etc.).

Almost everywhere does this, and it is such an insane rule.

Not in the UK.
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