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Ah I must have been mixing up Masters and PhD.

Stats for European schools can also be different. I know of some that have short PhD programs but require you complete a masters before applying.

I took 7 years from the start of grad school to my PhD. The main reason was that my first thesis project was an utter failure.

My impression from talking to a lot of people, is that the European schools simply manage the PhD process to make sure it doesn't drag out too long. It's expected to be shorter, so it's shorter.

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Impostor syndrome seems bogus but only because I've never experienced it and therefore can't understand it. Why do you feel like an impostor? The world is analog, not digital. There's no rite of passage that will suddenly switch you from being an "impostor" to being "legitimate". I've met EE majors who turned out to be better software developers than CS majors and vice versa.

> The world is analog, not digital. While true as far as our current mathematical models are concerned, there are good reasons to expect that deep down the world's fabric is discrete. (Whether that counts as being "digital" is probably just a matter of language.)

>there are good reasons to expect that deep down the world's fabric is discrete

There are no reasons to expect one way or the other. As far as we can measure, spacetime is discrete. However we can't probe very far in the grand scheme of things. Without experimental evidence, and without a particularly strong argument one way or the other, it's useless to be speculating.

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Wired: "Move Over, Coders—Physicists Will Soon Rule Silicon Valley" And soon we will rule the world, muhahaha...!

> Move Over, Coders

"Coders" - sure, but not software engineers.

Incidentally, the skill of "coding" (i.e. using a programming language to automate tasks on a computer) should, in my opinion, be taught in school at an early age along with the multiplication table.

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> The world is analog, not digital. While true as far as our current mathematical models are concerned, there are good reasons to expect that deep down the world's fabric is discrete. (Whether that counts as being "digital" is probably just a matter of language.)

>there are good reasons to expect that deep down the world's fabric is discrete There are no reasons to expect one way or the other. As far as we can measure, spacetime is discrete. However we can't probe very far in the grand scheme of things. Without experimental evidence, and without a particularly strong argument one way or the other, it's useless to be speculating.

> As far as we can measure, spacetime is discrete.

Did you mean to say "continuous"?

Quoting Wikipedia [1], "physical spacetime is expected to be quantum because physical coordinates are already slightly noncommutative."

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quantum_spacetime

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While being a student a physics professor told me: "Study physics now. Because later when you have a job, you might get paid to learn using some software tool or a new programming language. But no company will ever send you into a quantum mechanics lecture. " He was right.

Oddly enough, I received similar advice from my parents, 35 years ago when I started college. This was of course just at the dawn of the personal computer age. My mom was teaching programming at a nearby college, and she literally thought that programming was too easy to spend 4 years learning in the classroom. People were getting programming jobs after one year in her course. Also, nobody had any idea where the industry, or the economy, were headed.

Both of my parents started their careers as scientists in industry after getting graduate degrees in the 50s. They saw people with science background being able to go into practically anything, including programming, business, entrepreneurship, and so forth.

I learned programming in high school, and fell in love with it, but I had an internship at a computer facility, and also looked ahead at the typical CS curriculum. It all seemed terribly boring. So I majored in math and physics. Oddly enough, the people who were doing things with computers, that interested me, were in the physics department. I developed the ability to design computerized electronics for measurement and control systems -- which became my career. This was even before "embedded systems" was widely taught in EE departments.

But realistically, a large portion of the software industry today does not require people with a science background. What I don't know is if I'd still find it boring.

Perhaps my parents' attitude was along the line of "you can do anything with a liberal arts education," but with the stipulation that the liberal arts include math and science.

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Someone's perception of their abilities is (usually) not the same as their actual abilities—that is, some people will over/underestimate themselves, which manifests as overconfidence or low self esteem. Sometimes its in a specific area too, like one person who thinks they're god's gift to programming (when they actually cause more problems than they think) but also hold the simultaneous belief that they're unattracti…

> I can't understand something so it must not be real I never said that, don't twist my words. I said it seems bogus because I've never experienced it and I don't understand it. I never said it isn't real - it probably is; I just have a hard time relating to it and accepting it.

You do know what the word "bogus" means?

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> I can't understand something so it must not be real I never said that, don't twist my words. I said it seems bogus because I've never experienced it and I don't understand it. I never said it isn't real - it probably is; I just have a hard time relating to it and accepting it.

You do know what the word "bogus" means?

You do know what the word "seems" means?

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Physics major here, but programming since age 11. I wasn't a fan of how CS was taught to my friends, but undeniably there is so much incredibly important knowledge in CS that you won't get in a Physics degree. Such important works as the Dragon compiler book, Introductions to Algorithms, SICP, the Purity Test. Since coursera came along, I've found a number of online courses absolutely mind-altering. Basically, to my fellow physicists: yes, you are a smarty pants, but respect the body of CS knowledge and learn it.

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The effort one has to put into getting a physics degree seems to me comparable to that of becoming a physician (a medical doctor), and it pains me to see all that effort wasted. Some argue that it is the acquired skill in solving problems that matters, but, having seen physicists and mathematicians (and even "computer scientists") by training trying to solve software engineering problems, I have to disagree. Likewise…

We need more physicists so we can prove the Everettian interpretation of quantum mechanics so I can travel to the world where I'm a billionaire.
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