Easy XMPP: What are we doing here?

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Post by psiconaut » Mon, Jan 16, 2017, 6:10 PM UTC

Easy XMPP: What are we doing here?
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Re: Easy XMPP: What are we doing here?

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Post by nextos » Mon, Jan 16, 2017, 6:19 PM UTC

I think the issue with XMPP is the myriad of XEPs (XMPP extensions) which are optional, causing excessive fragmentation.

Some clients are excellent, like conversations.im. The problem is accidental complexity. Perhaps a solution would be to have a meta XEP that aggregates a few basic XEPs and defines a minimum common denominator.

Re: Easy XMPP: What are we doing here?

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Post by anotheryou » Mon, Jan 16, 2017, 6:19 PM UTC

I have 0 friends using signal so it's hard to give it a try: Did they fix the multiple devices end-to-end problem? Can I continue a conversation from my smartphone on my desktop? (should be possible by mirroring the conversations and having 2 keys). This was what killed OTR for me (and that it fails on unstable mobile connections, and the setup).

Re: Easy XMPP: What are we doing here?

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Post by woliveirajr » Mon, Jan 16, 2017, 6:21 PM UTC

> A single decision by Moxie or a single court order in some country can make Signal unavailable to a large part of its user base.

This is a great point made later on the thread.

And already happened in some countries, for example, with whatsapp.

Social pressure was big enough to revert it in a reasonable time, but time is very relative on how much you or your business relies on it.

Re: Easy XMPP: What are we doing here?

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Post by eponeponepon » Mon, Jan 16, 2017, 6:21 PM UTC

It would (will..?) be a crying shame to see XMPP grind to a halt - but I suspect, sadly, that the honest answer to the question is "not one heck of a lot really". I don't know if it got started too early, or moved too slowly, or what - but in the end, it missed its boat.

Re: Easy XMPP: What are we doing here?

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Post by cdelsolar » Mon, Jan 16, 2017, 6:25 PM UTC

competition is healthy

Re: Easy XMPP: What are we doing here?

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Post by Faaak » Mon, Jan 16, 2017, 6:29 PM UTC

cdelsolar wrote: post #6

competition is healthy

Except when you've got so many clients and so many servers that the typical user gives up instead

Re: Easy XMPP: What are we doing here?

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Post by apetresc » Mon, Jan 16, 2017, 6:30 PM UTC

anotheryou wrote: post #3

I have 0 friends using signal so it's hard to give it a try: Did they fix the multiple devices end-to-end problem? Can I continue a conversation from my smartphone on my desktop? ( should be possible by mirroring the conversations and having 2 keys). This was what killed OTR for me (and that it fails on unstable mobile connections, and the setup).

I'm not sure when the last time you tried it was, but that feature has been working since I first started using it, well over a year ago.

Re: Easy XMPP: What are we doing here?

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Post by ausjke » Mon, Jan 16, 2017, 6:31 PM UTC

eponeponepon wrote: post #5

It would (will..?) be a crying shame to see XMPP grind to a halt - but I suspect, sadly, that the honest answer to the question is "not one heck of a lot really". I don't know if it got started too early, or moved too slowly, or what - but in the end, it missed its boat.

what's the universal alternative for XMPP?

Re: Easy XMPP: What are we doing here?

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Post by jimmies » Mon, Jan 16, 2017, 6:31 PM UTC

anotheryou wrote: post #3

I have 0 friends using signal so it's hard to give it a try: Did they fix the multiple devices end-to-end problem? Can I continue a conversation from my smartphone on my desktop? ( should be possible by mirroring the conversations and having 2 keys). This was what killed OTR for me (and that it fails on unstable mobile connections, and the setup).

Yes, you can carry the conversation from phone to several desktop platforms. It uses a Chrome extension to achieve that.

You can't have two phones synchronizing yet, though.