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Montreal Is Leading the AI World Takeover

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Re: Montreal Is Leading the AI World Takeover

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> Francophone networks are weak. They are very local, and poor, and for a variety of reasons a little 'self oriented'. This is a Quebec thing, but also a French thing > An acquaintance calls herself a 'playwright' and she's written 2 tiny productions for the local theatre with 2 actors each - no props or anything. She's late in her 'career' already. You are making such blanket statements of stereotypes. The "career"…

" Francophone networks are weak. They are very local, and poor" A) French speaking Quebecers are poor, relative to N. America. Median wages are 'ok' due to lots of 'decent' government jobs, but mean wages for Francophones are very low. B) Francophone business networks usually don't expand beyond Quebec. There are no elite Universities in Quebec (McGill is pretty good, but not French), and there is zero access to netw…

    There are no elite Universities in Quebec (McGill is
    pretty good, but not French), and there is zero access to
    networks from elite schools among Francophones.
Another blanket statement. What constitutes an "elite" university?

The Francophones in Quebec have traditionally been, as a population, mostly against making "big bucks". One of the reasons was the religion. The other was that the anglophone ruling class were more than happy to (read "actively engaged in") suppress French success in general.

A lot of things changed in the last century. There are a lot of first generation University students in Quebec today, most of them French speaking. Naturally, the wages in general are expected to be lower. But one has to make the distinction about cost of living. It's lower in Quebec than in a lot of other places. This would explain the relative lower number of French Quebecois who "sign checks" - although they do exist.

Do you have any idea how big is the "circus"? There are some interesting documentaries/reporting on YouTube. Worth checking out. Another big company is the Desjardins bank, which was ranked #1 strongest bank in North America last year IIRC.

Success is relative, it depends on your social status and on what your peers define as being successful. Sure you can apply the SV VC definition of successful to mostly anywhere in the world, and you won't be much impressed. That doesn't mean the locals aren't successful. For a example, for a long time in Quebec the definition of being successful was becoming a pharmacist, doctor, dentist or lawyer. That's something that is being felt today still: a lot of potentially great scientists/entrepreneurs just want to become doctors, because doctors are successful.

Arguably this is no different from elsewhere, but combined with the general population lagging behind the rest of N-A with regards to accumulated wealth and level of education, the net effects are bad (IMO). But the gap is lowering, and I know plenty of young people with big ambitions. Time will tell, but I'm an optimist for the future.

Re: Montreal Is Leading the AI World Takeover

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I've been considering for a while moving to Montreal to be closer to the US for practical reasons. Any idea how easy that is as a french citizen?

French citizen living in Montreal. The easiest way is probably to come here with a PVT (Programme Vacances-Travail, or Working Holiday VISA) but you must be under 35. You could also find a firm willing to hire you but there will be paperwork and they'll have to prove that they haven't found a Canadian citizen for the position you'll occupy. It's a bit of a pain for the company but some companies are used to this (con…

Thanks, that's very helpful.

Re: Montreal Is Leading the AI World Takeover

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I've been thinking about making the move from Toronto to Montreal. Way cheaper rents and the city has better transport than Toronto, but I'm worried that getting by in only English is going to be an issue.

Half the people only speak English.

Re: Montreal Is Leading the AI World Takeover

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Quel niveau d'ignorance? Il y a aucune haine, il y a seulement des faits Maybe that's why a lot of immigrants (or even the natives that speak English) leave Quebec as soon as they can.

Puisque tu insiste... -- Self-delusions of grandeur of Quebeckers are funny. What does this article have to do with "Quebeckers"? If you had frequented any of the mentioned universities you would know they are full of foreign students, especially so in the graduate programs. 150 hackers != the whole province. Too bad they can't attract talent and can't use the ones they attracted there You are self-contradicting. Goo…

"Puisque tu insistes..."

Re: Montreal Is Leading the AI World Takeover

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I think there are a lot of Intelligent, Educated, Talented and Creative people in Montreal. But that probably can be said of many places across the globe. So the raw materials for successful tech hub are (partially) available. However, the government seems to to the major 'driving' force behind this, just like they are doing with the Video Game industry in the Province, with big subsidies, tax breaks which 'artificia…

Media City has been around more than one electoral cycle in Montreal. Also here the govt is selecting the kind of jobs via tax breaks. The USA has tax breaks for Facebook/Amazon and many others, but it's not targeted it's just a catch-all rule of big companies paying no tax. The state in any country creates the environment in which business lives. The idea that the USA is some kind of "natural" environment for busine…

Yes you are right about the subsidies, they have been around for the major part of the last 15-20 years. So chances are, they will continue to be a driving force which no new elected government will want to 'cut' (financially and politically impractical).

Re: Montreal Is Leading the AI World Takeover

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I've been thinking about making the move from Toronto to Montreal. Way cheaper rents and the city has better transport than Toronto, but I'm worried that getting by in only English is going to be an issue.

It depends; finding work is usually the biggest problem, but it's easier when you work in tech than in other fields. I know several people who done the same but work remotely

Re: Montreal Is Leading the AI World Takeover

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" Francophone networks are weak. They are very local, and poor" A) French speaking Quebecers are poor, relative to N. America. Median wages are 'ok' due to lots of 'decent' government jobs, but mean wages for Francophones are very low. B) Francophone business networks usually don't expand beyond Quebec. There are no elite Universities in Quebec (McGill is pretty good, but not French), and there is zero access to netw…

There are no elite Universities in Quebec (McGill is pretty good, but not French), and there is zero access to networks from elite schools among Francophones. Another blanket statement. What constitutes an "elite" university? The Francophones in Quebec have traditionally been, as a population, mostly against making "big bucks". One of the reasons was the religion. The other was that the anglophone ruling class were m…

You're taking this personally, which I think is clouding your view.

You don't need to lecture me on the history of Quebec, I'm well aware.

Harvard and Stanford are 'elite' schools.

U. Laval is not.

"Do you have any idea how big is the "circus"?" - it's somewhat less than $1 Billion revenue - which is not that huge.

Desjardins? Ha ... I use Desjardins as my main account - it's backwards and the most 'behind' of any major bank in Canada. I can't get a Visa Debit - among other things. Desjardins is '#1' in stability basically - because they are like a franchise and each branch is separate bank - they have extremely low lending leverage. This gives them a high degree of 'stability' (but also underperformance).

Don't be personal about it, I sense from your writing that you already know Montreal is not a 'winning city' and is not really moving in that direction.

Obviously I'm not 'anti Montreal' or I wouldn't chose to live here.

It's a great town, even a great town to build a startup in, but the people here have little interest in building industries, in the classical sense.

Re: Montreal Is Leading the AI World Takeover

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Has AI advanced from the 1990s? Or has there been a change in the environment it can be applied to, with the rise of big data, big infrastructure - big everything?

aryehof asks>"Has AI advanced from the 1990s?" No. But lots of progress in pattern recognition & classification. So whatever AI exists can see better, hear better, speak better. Unfortunately nothing remotely approaching the intelligence of a cat or dog, much less a human being, has appeared except in very limited domains.

  nothing remotely approaching the intelligence of a cat or 
  dog, much less a human being, has appeared except in very 
  limited domains.
Even machines with the intelligence of a fruit fly or lizard are useful, if you can industrialize the application of them. That is essentially how Alpha Go works.

Re: Montreal Is Leading the AI World Takeover

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" Francophone networks are weak. They are very local, and poor" A) French speaking Quebecers are poor, relative to N. America. Median wages are 'ok' due to lots of 'decent' government jobs, but mean wages for Francophones are very low. B) Francophone business networks usually don't expand beyond Quebec. There are no elite Universities in Quebec (McGill is pretty good, but not French), and there is zero access to netw…

> The people here do not have any interest in building it. I have. Where do I start?

You can start by getting the Quebec government to reduce the highest bracket income taxes which are a full 10% greater than the rest of Canada and about 12% greater than NY/California.

Just kidding :)

I would say if you want to help, go and work for a startup, or a growing private company that is not just a services entity who's #1 client is the government.

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