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The Case for Ubuntu Phone

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Re: The Case for Ubuntu Phone

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"What I find most interesting thing about this discussion is that it is the original reason that Google bought Android. They were concerned that with Apple controlling the smartphone market they’d be in a position to damage Google’s ability to compete in services"

Google bought android in 2005. Apple release iPhone in 2007.

Do what now?

I'd love a truly linux-based phone. Though it's unlikely that you'll ever get "root" on a commercial offering. Mobile phone providers don't like you being able to monkey about with the phone too much.

Re: The Case for Ubuntu Phone

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post #51

"What I find most interesting thing about this discussion is that it is the original reason that Google bought Android. They were concerned that with Apple controlling the smartphone market they’d be in a position to damage Google’s ability to compete in services" Google bought android in 2005. Apple release iPhone in 2007. Do what now? I'd love a truly linux-based phone. Though it's unlikely that you'll ever get "ro…

Rumours of Apple making a smartphone were strong for years before they actually announced one.

Re: The Case for Ubuntu Phone

#53
post #39

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The US is still split between carriers using cdma, and gsm. So if the carrier is on cdma, SIM cards don't exist.

Are the CDMA ones planning on moving to LTE?

They (Verizon, Sprint) already have, but they still use CDMA in outlying areas and for voice service. (Verizon, especially, is known for having the best rural service, at least in the rural areas near where I live.) Verizon does use SIM cards for LTE; I'm not sure about Spring but I'm guessing they do as well.

Both still have the CDMA-carrier mindset of wanting only "their" devices on their networks. In the past they would not (usually?) activate a phone not sold by them even if could work, but I feel like I've heard of people using unlocked devices with Verizon, but it could just be iPhones.

Re: The Case for Ubuntu Phone

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post #43
post #25

The problem is, Ubuntu is completely unsuitable for a mobile phone or tablet. I bought one last year and had to return it because it was functionally unusable - https://shkspr.mobi/blog/2016/05/the-ubuntu-tablet-a-review-... The OS doesn't support modern features like multi-touch, many apps require a physical keyboard, it can't connect reliably to Bluetooth devices, app switching doesn't work - even icons are missing…

I had pretty much exactly the same experience with Ubuntu Touch (but on an Aquaris phone). All in all I found the window manager a frustrating and horrible experience. But the one "killer app" I really missed was email. There's precisely one native app, and it fails to load subfolders in imap. A "free" OS feels like a petty distinction when the only (usable) applications are wrappers for mobile sites.

I have one, but the screen cracked a month or two back, so now back onto Android.

I actually found the Ubuntu interface a lot nicer to navigate than Android, but there is a serious lack of apps for it. The GPS was next to useless compared to Android (not sure if my model had a problem, but it took forever to get a lock, on Android its almost instant). The other big downside for me was traveling. Almost all of the apps were web based so maps wouldn't even load without an internet connection. Pretty useless when I was in the South of Chile and just wanted to check the street map of a small town we were in.

Android does feel way ahead of the Ubuntu phone now. Though it acts like an attention seeking child a lot of the time. I am getting notifications from Google plus, despite the fact I barely ever log into it. Beeps here beeps there always wanting my attention. From web sites I have browsed but refused to install the app as well. At least the GPS is useful now, as its one of the few things I actually find useful on a phone.

Re: The Case for Ubuntu Phone

#55
post #17

I would like to try Ubuntu Phone but I cannot find it anywhere. Canonical's page says that all devices are out of stock, various online stores say exactly the same thing, and all the devices that are listed as compatibile (Nexus 5 for instance) are two generations old and also hard to come by. The only option I haven't tried is buying used phone on eBay, because they usually come in pretty bad shape so I want brand n…

You can get the tablet bq M10 now. Or you can preorder the Fair phone 2, the version with Ubuntu preinstalled.

Re: The Case for Ubuntu Phone

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post #51

"What I find most interesting thing about this discussion is that it is the original reason that Google bought Android. They were concerned that with Apple controlling the smartphone market they’d be in a position to damage Google’s ability to compete in services" Google bought android in 2005. Apple release iPhone in 2007. Do what now? I'd love a truly linux-based phone. Though it's unlikely that you'll ever get "ro…

Rumours of Apple making a smartphone were strong for years before they actually announced one.

They only started working on a phone in 2005 according to the wiki page.

Yes, there were rumours for years ... ever since the Newton.

Re: The Case for Ubuntu Phone

#57
post #25

The problem is, Ubuntu is completely unsuitable for a mobile phone or tablet. I bought one last year and had to return it because it was functionally unusable - https://shkspr.mobi/blog/2016/05/the-ubuntu-tablet-a-review-... The OS doesn't support modern features like multi-touch, many apps require a physical keyboard, it can't connect reliably to Bluetooth devices, app switching doesn't work - even icons are missing…

Sounds like the typical FOSS syndrome. If you make comments about this you can expect "if you don't like it don't use it", "works for me" and "it's open so you're free to fix it yourself".

Re: The Case for Ubuntu Phone

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    The biggest strength and weakness of Ubuntu Phone is that it's a device
    without an intrinsic set of services. If you buy an Android device, you get
    Google Services. If you buy an iPhone, you get Apple services.
What he's missing is that the device is pretty much useless without the services. The services are as necessary to the functionality of the device as say, filesystem drivers are on an operating system. Yes, it's possible to have an operating system without filesystem drivers, but it's not going to be very useful to your average consumer. Similarly, it's possible to have a smartphone without location services, or push notifications, but it's not going to be very useful.

    While these can be strengths (at least in Google's case) they are 
    effectively a lock in to services that may or may not meet your
    requirements.  You certainly can get Telegram or Signal for either of those, 
    but they're never going to be as integrated as Hangouts or iMessage. This 
    goes throughout the device including things like music and storage as well.
I don't know what he means with regards to "storage" (cloud storage, perhaps?) but when it comes to messaging, I find that Telegram actually makes a better text messaging application than Hangouts. The UI is easier, it's easier to scan through archived messages, and it's faster. That's leaving aside the obvious privacy improvements that Telegram brings over Hangouts. Similarly, I find that Spotify does a better job of handling music on Android than Google Play Music. It has better integration with its desktop client, better sync, and it doesn't lose its network connection when switching from wifi to LTE.

Android already has the strengths and disadvantages of Ubuntu Phone (mostly thanks to Google's incompetence). I'm not sure what Ubuntu Phone brings to the table that would make it better than Android. Right now, it appears to be an OS like Android with many fewer apps, and even more headaches when it comes to cloud services.

Re: The Case for Ubuntu Phone

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post #55
post #17

I would like to try Ubuntu Phone but I cannot find it anywhere. Canonical's page says that all devices are out of stock, various online stores say exactly the same thing, and all the devices that are listed as compatibile (Nexus 5 for instance) are two generations old and also hard to come by. The only option I haven't tried is buying used phone on eBay, because they usually come in pretty bad shape so I want brand n…

You can get the tablet bq M10 now. Or you can preorder the Fair phone 2, the version with Ubuntu preinstalled.

The Fairphone 2 doesn't come with Ubuntu preinstalled and the project to run the OS on the phone is community based and in progress.

http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2016/07/ubuntu-fairphone-2-port-u... https://forum.fairphone.com/t/fairphone-2-ubuntu-touch/23475

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