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> This isn’t a question that comes up so often with respect to (say) Python because Python has an effective form of curation – blessing things into the standard library, at which point their alternatives generally disappear. In effect, Python modules are quality-filtered on the taste of the BDFL and the devteam. I love Python but this statement is absolutely coming from someone who does not write Python on a regular…
Actually, I think the community does recognize that this is a problem they are running into as they scale up. Previously there was the discussion of the Rust Platform [1] as a pseudo-stdlib which was received with a lot of mixed since the Python approach isn't actually all rainbows and sunshine. More recently, there has been effort to try to improve the discoverability of relevant crates [2].
> This isn’t a question that comes up so often with respect to (say) Python because Python has an effective form of curation – blessing things into the standard library, at which point their alternatives generally disappear. In effect, Python modules are quality-filtered on the taste of the BDFL and the devteam. I love Python but this statement is absolutely coming from someone who does not write Python on a regular…
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Libraries tend towards standardisation regardless of whether they're being curated by the language designers. Python is actually a good example of this. Look at the library ecosystem built up around scientific computing. None of that is in the standard library, yet there is a common set of packages being used.
Scientific libraries are a complex problem, writing yet another web framework isn't. Furthermore most sci/num libs are heavily linked to C/C++ and FORTRAN code, where most of the work is done.
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Scientific libraries are a complex problem, writing yet another web framework isn't. Furthermore most sci/num libs are heavily linked to C/C++ and FORTRAN code, where most of the work is done.
Web frameworks are rarely part of standard libraries. The closest I can think of is ASP.NET for C#.
> This isn’t a question that comes up so often with respect to (say) Python because Python has an effective form of curation – blessing things into the standard library, at which point their alternatives generally disappear. In effect, Python modules are quality-filtered on the taste of the BDFL and the devteam. I love Python but this statement is absolutely coming from someone who does not write Python on a regular…
Sure, but even then, I think his point is still applicable. It's urllib2 and requests, not urllib2 and requests and 20 other libraries. The fact that an inferior library is being kept alive by being in the stdlib is maybe unfortunate, but there's still only a small number of choices overall. That makes it much easier to do research and see within the first few search results that the majority of the community recomme…
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Web frameworks are rarely part of standard libraries. The closest I can think of is ASP.NET for C#.
Go has a http server, so does python and javascript.
Node.js is popular, but it's not 'standard'. It's not part of any ECMAScript standard libraries, which would be the requirement if it was to be standard.
I don't know the situation with Go that well, so if it has a http library in the standard I'll take your word for it, but there do seem to be some popular non-standard http servers like Caddy.
As for Python, this is probably an example of where the impact of standards is not that great. How often is the standard http server used compared to popular third party alternatives? Are there any web apps you know of that are using the standard http server in production?
Actually, the kind of features ESR asks for are covered by github, IMO. It's easy to review code quality from there, the number of stars and forks reflect project popularity, the list of committers (how many they are and who they are) can help having an idea about long term maintenance expectations, etc. The cool thing is that it works for almost any language : github is "social coding", thus it's also social validat…
10 years is "that long", now?