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Re: Montreal Is Leading the AI World Takeover

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Post by ThePhysicist »

raverbashing wrote: post #9

"Leading" Self-delusions of grandeur of Quebeckers are funny. Too bad they can't attract talent and can't use the ones they attracted there Meanwhile some top experts are in Silicon Valley, some others in London, there's a lot of ML investment in Berlin and other cities Montreal is a great city but gets dragged down by the French Quebec BS

Could you name some DL companies in Berlin please? I'm very interested in this and based here, so I'd love to learn more about interesting projects here. So far my impression was that the "deep tech" scene in Berlin is minuscule compared to e.g. London and SV, and that most companies here work in ad tech and e-commerce (two fields which I have no interest in at all).

Re: Montreal Is Leading the AI World Takeover

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Post by raverbashing »

ThePhysicist wrote: post #11
raverbashing wrote: post #9

"Leading" Self-delusions of grandeur of Quebeckers are funny. Too bad they can't attract talent and can't use the ones they attracted there Meanwhile some top experts are in Silicon Valley, some others in London, there's a lot of ML investment in Berlin and other cities Montreal is a great city but gets dragged down by the French Quebec BS

Could you name some DL companies in Berlin please? I'm very interested in this and based here, so I'd love to learn more about interesting projects here. So far my impression was that the "deep tech" scene in Berlin is minuscule compared to e.g. London and SV, and that most companies here work in ad tech and e-commerce (two fields which I have no interest in at all).

Sorry, I meant Machine Learning. You're right.

Re: Montreal Is Leading the AI World Takeover

#13

Post by mablap »

raverbashing wrote: post #9

"Leading" Self-delusions of grandeur of Quebeckers are funny. Too bad they can't attract talent and can't use the ones they attracted there Meanwhile some top experts are in Silicon Valley, some others in London, there's a lot of ML investment in Berlin and other cities Montreal is a great city but gets dragged down by the French Quebec BS

Can someone flag this comment? I don't have the option.

I had written a proper response but the level of ignorance and apparent hatred displayed in your comment makes me doubt you would have read it.

Re: Montreal Is Leading the AI World Takeover

#14

Post by mablap »

dsjoerg wrote: post #5

No aspiring or self-respecting AI researcher could take an article like this at face value. "The largest concentration of independent AI researchers in the world"? Citation needed. Better yet, data.

Here's one data point: There are about 150 academic AI researchers in in an area of 1.4 square kilometre radius in downtown Montreal.

Re: Montreal Is Leading the AI World Takeover

#15

Post by raverbashing »

mablap wrote: post #13
raverbashing wrote: post #9

"Leading" Self-delusions of grandeur of Quebeckers are funny. Too bad they can't attract talent and can't use the ones they attracted there Meanwhile some top experts are in Silicon Valley, some others in London, there's a lot of ML investment in Berlin and other cities Montreal is a great city but gets dragged down by the French Quebec BS

Can someone flag this comment? I don't have the option. I had written a proper response but the level of ignorance and apparent hatred displayed in your comment makes me doubt you would have read it.

Quel niveau d'ignorance?

Il y a aucune haine, il y a seulement des faits

Maybe that's why a lot of immigrants (or even the natives that speak English) leave Quebec as soon as they can.

Re: Montreal Is Leading the AI World Takeover

#16

Post by Dzugaru »

aryehof wrote: post #6

Has AI advanced from the 1990s? Or has there been a change in the environment it can be applied to, with the rise of big data, big infrastructure - big everything?

Computers are far better now in solving complex tasks widely considered as requiring intelligence like video captioning and speech recognition, automatic driving and playing complex games. The change is due to hardware engineering that enabled enormous computing and data acquision/storage power compared to 1990s and a possibility to conduct machine intelligence experiments at unprecedented scale and speed which lead to better algorithms.

If, instead, you want to know when or if AI will match human intelligence or become self-consciuos - sadly no one knows that. We may be "advancing" in totally wrong direction.

Re: Montreal Is Leading the AI World Takeover

#17

Post by mablap »

ryanobjc wrote: post #10

Air Canada isn't a global company. It's a flag carrier for Canada only. The rest is wishful thinking. Building an industry isn't just top down (all the braggy stuff was about top down), the bottom up stuff is critical and important. Good luck with it. But I feel like while the research might be OK, the commercialization will come out of the bay area anyways. There just isn't enough quality people to do this in Canada…

What do you mean by "bottom up" in this context? They mention having a lot of researchers (grunts) and now a brand new startup accelerator.

> There just isn't enough quality people to do this in Canada.

Do you really believe that would be the cause?

Re: Montreal Is Leading the AI World Takeover

#18

Post by technics256 »

ThePhysicist wrote: post #11
raverbashing wrote: post #9

"Leading" Self-delusions of grandeur of Quebeckers are funny. Too bad they can't attract talent and can't use the ones they attracted there Meanwhile some top experts are in Silicon Valley, some others in London, there's a lot of ML investment in Berlin and other cities Montreal is a great city but gets dragged down by the French Quebec BS

Could you name some DL companies in Berlin please? I'm very interested in this and based here, so I'd love to learn more about interesting projects here. So far my impression was that the "deep tech" scene in Berlin is minuscule compared to e.g. London and SV, and that most companies here work in ad tech and e-commerce (two fields which I have no interest in at all).

Do you live in Berlin? Am also looking for like minded people. Munich seems to have more to be honest, and has a new ML incubator.

Re: Montreal Is Leading the AI World Takeover

#19

Post by mablap »

raverbashing wrote: post #15
mablap wrote: post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Can someone flag this comment? I don't have the option. I had written a proper response but the level of ignorance and apparent hatred displayed in your comment makes me doubt you would have read it.

Quel niveau d'ignorance? Il y a aucune haine, il y a seulement des faits Maybe that's why a lot of immigrants (or even the natives that speak English) leave Quebec as soon as they can.

Puisque tu insiste...

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    Self-delusions of grandeur of Quebeckers are funny.
What does this article have to do with "Quebeckers"? If you had frequented any of the mentioned universities you would know they are full of foreign students, especially so in the graduate programs. 150 hackers != the whole province.

    Too bad they can't attract talent and can't use the ones
    they attracted there
You are self-contradicting. Google just opened an AI lab there[0], and it wants to turn Montreal into a "super-cluster of AI knowledge"[1]. Nobody is affirming that Montreal is the only place where AI research is going on. They're merely pointing out that recent investments and research base are putting it in a very good position worldwide. Is that false?

    Montreal is a great city but gets dragged down by the
    French Quebec BS
What does "French Quebec" have to do with this story? Did you flip out because you saw some accented characters?

You hate French speaking Québécois, for your own personal reasons. Keep it to yourself. It has no place here (an anywhere, really). I'm glad that your brand of instinctive Quebec hate is not very popular amongst the general population.

Ignorance crasse.

[0]: https://www.wired.com/2016/11/google-opens-montreal-ai-lab-s... [1]: http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/montreal/montreal-institute-le... [2]: http://www.theglobeandmail.com/report-on-business/microsoft-...

Re: Montreal Is Leading the AI World Takeover

#20

Post by nopinsight »

mablap wrote: post #14
dsjoerg wrote: post #5

No aspiring or self-respecting AI researcher could take an article like this at face value. "The largest concentration of independent AI researchers in the world"? Citation needed. Better yet, data.

Here's one data point: There are about 150 academic AI researchers in in an area of 1.4 square kilometre radius in downtown Montreal.

That's quite impressive. If you go by sheer numer in a city, Pittsburgh could have more because of Carnegie Mellon, affiliated institutes, Uber research center, and startups stemming from them.

The number of AI researchers in the Bay area might be even larger. Many researchers associated with large companies publish papers at a rate comparable to academics. Boston, Redmond, and Beijing are some other contenders.

Edit: Researchers in large company and institutions are not 'independent' so not included in their quote above. So yes, technically the article could be right, but it should not matter much whether the researchers work as part of an institution as long as their work is publicly published.

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