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Ask HN: Laid off today for the first time, anything to be wary of? Advice?

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Re: Ask HN: Laid off today for the first time, anything to be wary of? Advice?

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post #61

Don't disparage your former employer - regardless of how the breakup went. I feel that in retrospect these things are for the better. You didn't want to be there anyway - they just made their move first.

Yea, I definitely have no intentions of doing so. Overall my PM and CTO were pretty great people, the general team overall also. I've been through much worse plights in my career, I'd say it's more a win-win for this particular situation.

Re: Ask HN: Laid off today for the first time, anything to be wary of? Advice?

#83

1. You must reframe the situation as quick as possible. Don't think, 'shit, why me, what happened, am I not good enough?' Such thoughts bring you a vicious cycle. You must treat this situation as the best thing ever happened, you must be happy about it. And I promise you, heck I bet $10,000 that you'll tell us in one year that this lay-off was the best thing ever happened and led you to x, y and z. So, basically it's…

I don't know about "reframing". I've been laid off twice, both due to company politics/direction issues that had nothing to do with me. It's not "reframing", it's recognizing the reality of the situation, rather than ascribing reality to how I felt about the situation. In my case, I permitted myself to cry and moan about it, for about 15 minutes. Then it was time to put that behind me.

You got four weeks pay? Then don't work 30% on 2 and 70% on 3. Work at least 30% on 2, and as much more than that as you can usefully do in any given day. Treat it like a job. Don't stop unless there's really nothing more you can do that day. Fill up the remaining time with 3 (don't do make-work on 2).

Re: Ask HN: Laid off today for the first time, anything to be wary of? Advice?

#84
post #33

>if there's anything I should be wary of Don't cave to the temptation of making an ass of yourself. You never know when you might run into someone in a future job. They'll likely make you sign some papers for the 1 month severance. Pay attention. Sometimes there are unsavory clauses, like non-competes, non-disclosure, etc. It would be helpful to know where you are located. If you're in California, for example, you ca…

Forgot to mention and it doesn't seem like I can edit my post anymore, but I'm located in Vancouver, B.C (Canada). The release includes the following sections: * no admissions * further claims (agree to not make claims against the Releasees) * indemnity for taxes * no denigration or defamation * non-disclosure * confidentiality I don't believe it was a large layoff, in fact, I'm not sure if anyone else got hit. The r…

> I suspect it may have to do with the fact my options vest in about 2~3 weeks.

OK, that's a whole different kettle of fish. You may want to talk to a lawyer before signing, because if you sign, you most likely sign away your right to sue for the options. (On the other hand, you may not have any case for suing for the options anyway. And your expectation value of what you would get from the options, times the probability of winning them, may be lower than the cost of talking to a lawyer for an hour...)

Re: Ask HN: Laid off today for the first time, anything to be wary of? Advice?

#85
post #24

It also depends on what the labor law in your country says. Are you in the US?

I'm in Vancouver, B.C (Canada)

Almost all the advice here is aimed at US employees. Does Canada have, and it should, stronger laws about your rights under termination? If you are the only person affected you may have basically been fired under their law and they are using redundancy as a way to get around the law. I don't know but a local employment lawyer or consultant does. I strongly advice speaking to someone in the game before your next meeting. You may be in a stand down period where that is what you are meant to do. Do this properly and you should get your options and perhaps more cash. You are getting ripped off if they don't give you the options or compensation for losing them.

Saying on a public forum that you wanted to leave anyway was probably unwise btw as it makes it harder to negotiate a decent severance.

Re: Ask HN: Laid off today for the first time, anything to be wary of? Advice?

#86

As your being made redundant, there's nothing untoward about their reason. 1 month for each year served is fairly normal so again, nothing untoward. Signing a release is also fairly standard. Under these circumstances I would always recommend showing the release to an employment lawyer. For me, peace of mind is worth a couple of hundred dollars but YMMV. Also, in the UK at least, there are tax breaks on some of the r…

1 month for each year served? That is common? I've heard 1 week per year is common. I have been with my company for almost 10 years. You're not really suggesting they'd pay me almost a year if they laid me off.

In the UK that's (more or less) the minimum plus or minus caps. It's not uncommon to get offered higher, month per year for example, in return for signing a waver.

Edit. I'm not suggesting that you'll get paid for 10 months. I have no idea what your company policy is. However, I received a year's salary with the first 30k or so tax free. So it may not surprise you that I was happy to sign the waver.

Re: Ask HN: Laid off today for the first time, anything to be wary of? Advice?

#87

1. You must reframe the situation as quick as possible. Don't think, 'shit, why me, what happened, am I not good enough?' Such thoughts bring you a vicious cycle. You must treat this situation as the best thing ever happened, you must be happy about it. And I promise you, heck I bet $10,000 that you'll tell us in one year that this lay-off was the best thing ever happened and led you to x, y and z. So, basically it's…

* Work on a pet project with a technology you always wanted to work with, get into flow and put it online. This will be the most fun and will give you tons of self-confidence in a very short time.* In addition to the personal mental benefits, as a hiring manager, I would look favorably on this. It shows initiative. It shows that you aren't wasting your time between jobs. Should your unemployment extend to a few month…

This is great advice. I'd like to add emphasis to the importance of creating something that is tangible and complete. The extra effort it takes to actually host and launch a web application or to release an app to the app store will go a long way to greatly improve the weight and impact of your project to your next potential employer.

Re: Ask HN: Laid off today for the first time, anything to be wary of? Advice?

#88

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Forgot to mention and it doesn't seem like I can edit my post anymore, but I'm located in Vancouver, B.C (Canada). The release includes the following sections: * no admissions * further claims (agree to not make claims against the Releasees) * indemnity for taxes * no denigration or defamation * non-disclosure * confidentiality I don't believe it was a large layoff, in fact, I'm not sure if anyone else got hit. The r…

> I suspect it may have to do with the fact my options vest in about 2~3 weeks. OK, that's a whole different kettle of fish. You may want to talk to a lawyer before signing, because if you sign, you most likely sign away your right to sue for the options. (On the other hand, you may not have any case for suing for the options anyway. And your expectation value of what you would get from the options, times the probabi…

I agree, a lawyer is a good idea. I've had this happen to me. Not pleasant.

Re: Ask HN: Laid off today for the first time, anything to be wary of? Advice?

#89

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> I suspect it may have to do with the fact my options vest in about 2~3 weeks. OK, that's a whole different kettle of fish. You may want to talk to a lawyer before signing, because if you sign, you most likely sign away your right to sue for the options. (On the other hand, you may not have any case for suing for the options anyway. And your expectation value of what you would get from the options, times the probabi…

I agree, a lawyer is a good idea. I've had this happen to me. Not pleasant.

How did that turn out for you?

Re: Ask HN: Laid off today for the first time, anything to be wary of? Advice?

#90

1. You must reframe the situation as quick as possible. Don't think, 'shit, why me, what happened, am I not good enough?' Such thoughts bring you a vicious cycle. You must treat this situation as the best thing ever happened, you must be happy about it. And I promise you, heck I bet $10,000 that you'll tell us in one year that this lay-off was the best thing ever happened and led you to x, y and z. So, basically it's…

Good advice. I fell into a vicious cycle my first layoff and it wasn't fun. Turns out it was a great thing that happened.
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