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Re: App.net is shutting down

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App.net combined two big ideas: 1. Social networks are important enough that a subscription model is viable 2. Social networks should be built on a platform for social network applications Obviously neither idea could save app.net. Which idea caused most of the problems?

#1, but not inherently as much as for the effect it had on the consequences of other decisions: they launched with a hard pay-wall for the first couple years and that made the identity crisis fatal. They got a good deal of initial publicity but the first thing anyone curious got was a requirement that they pay to use it. That's always going to be a hard sell but it was especially bad when the messaging was so confuse…

I think your diagnosis is on target: "the cost was real and up-front but any benefits were largely hypothetical based on enough other people deciding to pay at all and some of them building apps."

But freemium is hard: Either you make a market for ads, and have intrusive data collection and analytics, and you have to compete with the most intrusive ad-supported products that already dominate the ad market and you become as bad as them, OR you have pure freemium and you have the question of how to make the up-sell compelling enough while keeping the free level of service interesting enough. The only good example of success at freemium is LinkedIn where they segmented their user population and only made the recruiters pay a very high premium price.

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I have no idea why anyone even likes Twitter. Beyond broadcasting, there is nothing of value on it. Every tweet has absolutely inane replies. You can at least find some half-decent commentary in Facebook post comments, but Twitter is just insane babble

How a social platform looks like to any given person depends on the people that person associates with. If twitter is inane babble to you that says more about what you did with twitter than about twitter itself.

I haven't done anything with twitter. Technically I do have an account, but most times I visit the site, I'm not logged in. I can't find a way to get a toehold toward anything but inane babble.

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Never heard of it

I'm a pretty active lurker on HN and I really had to think hard about what App.net was and why I might care. I think that is an indicator of why they might have had a hard time surviving. Even hardcore nerds didn't know about it so I really don't expect "normal" people to know about it. :(

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But every other platform has that as well. It is just that twitter only has that option.

Facebook has become much less interesting once it started constantly reminding people about privacy options and almost everyone went from default-public to default-friends, or often even more restrictive settings.

My problem wasn't default public but rather that I am fairly certain they retroactively made pricate stuff public.

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So to recap, Twitter exploded onto the scene in 2007, the "fail whale" appeared a lot, developers made all sorts of wonderful programs hooked into Twitter, the fail whale disappeared, Twitter started to destroy the app ecosystem, App.net launched to great fanfare in response to Twitter's knuckleheaded anti-developer stance, Britney Spears and Justin Bieber arrived and knocked all the nerds out of the top spots on Twi…

app.net never had the audience. Network effect is a real b##ch to overcome.

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Didn't USV invest in Twitter? Did they cash out after IPO?

>Didn't USV invest in Twitter? They sure did. Fred Wilson (USV partner) has talked about it (Twitter as a portfolio company of USV) many times on his blog avc.com . >Did they cash out after IPO? Not sure.

Well otherwise what does it mean if they have a tiny part of an $18B company?

Re: App.net is shutting down

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But every other platform has that as well. It is just that twitter only has that option.

Yes, but most other platforms don't have the same level of vibrant public discussions. On things like Facebook, discussions are mostly between friends or "friends of friends", with no chance of an outside opinion, for instance.

Well going further than that, on Facebook, for a lot of people the majority of their 'friends' are school friends (for younger people often their entire school year, even the years above/below), and extended family, people that they feel obligated to add (due to Facebook's pressure to have a high friend count).

These are ultimately people they wouldn't choose to follow the conversations of at all, given the choice.

For me Twitter was like starting with a clean slate. I just follow the people I want to follow, basically no 'friends', just interesting people.

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How a social platform looks like to any given person depends on the people that person associates with. If twitter is inane babble to you that says more about what you did with twitter than about twitter itself.

In my field (marketing), it's overrun by spam. And anytime I've looked at anything remotely political, I had to take a bath afterwards

Marketing and politics are probably the two worst areas to try to find any humanity in.

I use it for things like gaming, talking to locals (almost everyone I know in my current city I met through Twitter, or through someone I met through Twitter), getting local news, and keeping up with friends.

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