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Re: Poor Neighborhoods Make the Best Investments

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Post by emodendroket »

dragonwriter wrote: post #156
treehau5 wrote: post #105

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The Church hierarchy was an example of a representative democracy as well. The primates would come together at ecumenical councils to decide on matters of faith and pastoral care. All bishops received one and only one vote, and the ecumenical patriarch, who often was tasked with organizing and presiding over the council, was simply referred to the "first among equals", and also only had one vote.

> The Church hierarchy was an example of a representative democracy as well. Which church heirarchy? The secular heirarchy of the Catholic Church (which you seem to be referring to) certainly isn't an example (while there were certainly councils in which voting occurred, the members of those councils were not, for the most part, elected by the people below them, but appointed by those above.) The monastic heirarchy p…

He's talking about the Anglican church, not the Catholic church. Unlike the Pope the Archbishop of Canterbury is primer inter pares.

Re: Poor Neighborhoods Make the Best Investments

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Post by twblalock »

Chris2048 wrote: post #149
twblalock wrote: post #122

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Your interpretation changes the meaning of what I said, and it is uncharitable at best. I never advocated keeping the poor "in their place." I just pointed out that unintended consequences can occur in these kinds of situations.

How is the above not the implication though? At least if a neighborhood changes, there is a chance a % of poor locals are able to profit from it and stay.

Saying that one should be careful when trying to help people is not the same as saying that one should not help those people at all.

Re: Poor Neighborhoods Make the Best Investments

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Post by [deleted] »

emodendroket wrote: post #161
dragonwriter wrote: post #156

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> The Church hierarchy was an example of a representative democracy as well. Which church heirarchy? The secular heirarchy of the Catholic Church (which you seem to be referring to) certainly isn't an example (while there were certainly councils in which voting occurred, the members of those councils were not, for the most part, elected by the people below them, but appointed by those above.) The monastic heirarchy p…

He's talking about the Anglican church, not the Catholic church. Unlike the Pope the Archbishop of Canterbury is primer inter pares.

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Re: Poor Neighborhoods Make the Best Investments

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Post by lawpoop »

emodendroket wrote: post #85
lawpoop wrote: post #81

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Well, since that time, we've moved away from slavery to labor saving machines. Since we're at a point where many people are under-employed, and we expect many more to become so, we can probably re-institute something like this. After all, the United States was a crazy experiment to revive 2,000-year-old Greek idea called 'Democracy'. While we did have slaves at the beginning, we have managed to enfranchise all adults…

> Since we're at a point where many people are under-employed, and we expect many more to become so, we can probably re-institute something like this. Call me old-fashioned but I don't think locking people in as a permanent underclass is a good idea. And practically speaking I'm not sure how a slave society where the slaveholders have special rights to participate in democratic society is an improvement over a system…

I meant re-institute the ecclesia, not slavery. Sorry for not being clear.

Re: Poor Neighborhoods Make the Best Investments

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Post by treehau5 »

emodendroket wrote: post #161
dragonwriter wrote: post #156

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> The Church hierarchy was an example of a representative democracy as well. Which church heirarchy? The secular heirarchy of the Catholic Church (which you seem to be referring to) certainly isn't an example (while there were certainly councils in which voting occurred, the members of those councils were not, for the most part, elected by the people below them, but appointed by those above.) The monastic heirarchy p…

He's talking about the Anglican church, not the Catholic church. Unlike the Pope the Archbishop of Canterbury is primer inter pares.

Sorry I am late responding, I am talking about neither of the two, but rather, the Orthodox Church.

Re: Poor Neighborhoods Make the Best Investments

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Post by emodendroket »

treehau5 wrote: post #166
emodendroket wrote: post #161

Earlier quoted context omitted.

He's talking about the Anglican church, not the Catholic church. Unlike the Pope the Archbishop of Canterbury is primer inter pares.

Sorry I am late responding, I am talking about neither of the two, but rather, the Orthodox Church.

Oh. Well the Anglican church seemed more plausible in the context of early America.

Re: Poor Neighborhoods Make the Best Investments

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Post by mr_spothawk »

Chris2048 wrote: post #150
mr_spothawk wrote: post #28

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> "not someone on welfare with a hidden drug problem." whoa. what about the person whose spouse died last year, and whose house burned down over Christmas? ^^ she's a 1st order connection, but not my tenant. how about the aunt who's got +2 mouths to feed & house after her sister died? ^^ again, real human, facing real serious cash-flow problems. there are so many ways to wind up in a hard way, necessitating low-cost…

> I did significantly more damage to rental properties than I lost deposits to repair... intentionally Why?!

Fair question... I don't think I asked myself that at the time. But it definitely occurred.

How? Belligerence... naturally.

Re: Poor Neighborhoods Make the Best Investments

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Post by [deleted] »

Chris2048 wrote: post #150
mr_spothawk wrote: post #28

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> "not someone on welfare with a hidden drug problem." whoa. what about the person whose spouse died last year, and whose house burned down over Christmas? ^^ she's a 1st order connection, but not my tenant. how about the aunt who's got +2 mouths to feed & house after her sister died? ^^ again, real human, facing real serious cash-flow problems. there are so many ways to wind up in a hard way, necessitating low-cost…

> I did significantly more damage to rental properties than I lost deposits to repair... intentionally Why?!

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Re: Poor Neighborhoods Make the Best Investments

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Post by vidarh »

emodendroket wrote: post #155
vidarh wrote: post #144

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But that basis of that fascination was also part of the reason for the rise of neoclassisism. Greece and the Roman Republic and Empire came to be seen as purer, grander and more refined past, which drove a lot of effort into re-discovering information about them, which led to an increased interest in archeology, and eventually to things like neoclassism. Dictators and radicals alike looked for lessons, and found them…

The HRE probably had the best claim next to the Byzantines to being the true successors to Rome, but of course in the US they were a lot more interested in the Roman republic than the dominate.

The HRE had a very tenuous claim. They didn't even use the name until hundreds of years in, and most of their emperors were not crowned by any popes. Their claim was basically that the HRE was a successor to East Francia, which lands had been part of the Carolingian Empire, which had been ruled by Charlemagne, who had been crowned emperor by the pope in attempt to stake out his own very tenuous claim to be the continuation of the West Roman Empire (which had basically been defunct for centuries by then).

Couple that with the invented principle of translatio imperii [1], and they glossed over the multiple long breaks in lineage, and lack of even an unbroken connection between the territories ruled.

There's the old joke about the HRE: It was neither Holy, Roman or an Empire - the emperor ruled on paper, but it had very limited practical effect other than letting a smaller and smaller set of families reflect in the glory of an Emperor title.

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Translatio_imperii

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