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Re: Marc Benioff joins Valley notables backing Gaza’s first coding academy

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Post by iblankm »

I think the best way to see what's going on there is to watch the videos. Have you all seen the ones about Gaza's startup founders and developers? Here are a few:

Women founders + developers: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7nAkx4n0yUU&feature=youtu.be

The crowdfunding campaign video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eEJtZekhROE

There are some personal interviews too on that channel, but my favorite is this bloopers video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_f_w1aoJgO8

Another video that shows Gaza on the ground (no relation to the geeks there) is Gangam Style Gaza. Love this! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eYMh09vPwdM

Re: Marc Benioff joins Valley notables backing Gaza’s first coding academy

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Post by iblankm »

serge2k wrote: post #66
Cyph0n wrote: post #54

Earlier quoted context omitted.

So when a population misbehaves, you setup a ghetto to isolate it? We're talking about upwards of a million people here by the way. Is that really the right way to handle things? Looking at the whole picture, I maintain that resistance is justified.

When they are actively trying to murder people, yes. It's not right, but neither is sending in suicide bombers.

I doubt any of THESE people are actively trying to kill people:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eEJtZekhROE

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_f_w1aoJgO8

Re: Marc Benioff joins Valley notables backing Gaza’s first coding academy

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Post by iblankm »

berntb wrote: post #116
justin66 wrote: post #115

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> You are not contradicting my point. He is still going to jail. Israel undeniably has a better and more principled legal system than whatever the Palestinians have under the occupation. It's admirable that they found this guy guilty in the face of public opinion. Insofar as your "mural paintings" statement spoke to the cultural differences, I think it's important (and unbelievably sad) to note that the difference wh…

"just a matter of degree"? OK, let's look at it then: Side A is officially antisemitic in their founding document (Hamas) and TV programs (even for children!); they literally took inspirations from the 3rd Reich. They condone murders of civilians (even children) and pay pensions to the family of killed murderers. They have expelled all members of side B. They persecute members of side B everywhere on the planet where…

Why are we talking about Side A and Side B at all? Each of those is a vast overgeneralization. Israelis are diverse, as are Palestinians/Gazans. It's easy to make broad generalizations until you actually meet people on both sides and understand their human context.

Have you ever met a Gazan (outside of any military situation, if you're Israeli and had to serve)? If not, check this out since it may be the closest you can get... I don't think these people are ones you'd have any reason to dislike or want to punish:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eEJtZekhROE

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_f_w1aoJgO8

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7nAkx4n0yUU

Re: Marc Benioff joins Valley notables backing Gaza’s first coding academy

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Post by davidf18 »

shmerl wrote: post #89
davidf18 wrote: post #88

Earlier quoted context omitted.

In 2006 there was a supervised election where Hamas was legitimately elected over Fatah. The Palestinians gave a mandate of a terrorist organization to lead them.

Do you trust a "supervised election" in a fascist regime? I don't really. But let's say you are right, and majority actually supports it. It means quite something morbid about such society.

The supervised elections were by US, UN or similar groups, not by Palestinian government.

The Palestinians were given the chance to self-govern Gaza when Israel pulled out in 2005 and show the world community that they are capable of self-government. Instead Hamas was elected and Hamas shot many thousands of missiles into Israel.

Re: Marc Benioff joins Valley notables backing Gaza’s first coding academy

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Post by shmerl »

davidf18 wrote: post #124
shmerl wrote: post #89

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Do you trust a "supervised election" in a fascist regime? I don't really. But let's say you are right, and majority actually supports it. It means quite something morbid about such society.

The supervised elections were by US, UN or similar groups, not by Palestinian government. The Palestinians were given the chance to self-govern Gaza when Israel pulled out in 2005 and show the world community that they are capable of self-government. Instead Hamas was elected and Hamas shot many thousands of missiles into Israel.

> The supervised elections were by US, UN or similar groups, not by Palestinian government.

How exactly does such supervision help? I.e. let's say someone votes (under supervision) today against, and then, killed tomorrow for being in opposition. You get the idea. Supervision has zero value when fascists control everything.

Estimating by Egypt situation, around half of the population supports fascist groups, and half is against. Hamas is a projection of Egyptian fascists, so the picture can be similar.

Re: Marc Benioff joins Valley notables backing Gaza’s first coding academy

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Post by justin66 »

berntb wrote: post #120
justin66 wrote: post #117

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> If you're going to argue that persecution and hatred of Jews are excusable because of X If it seemed to you that anything I wrote intended to argue that persecution and hatred of anyone is "excusable because of X", this was rather a waste of time. Which is of course a surprise, since discussion of the Palestinian conflict online is ordinarily so productive...

That was just answering a common bad argument in advance. I wrote it INSIDE "()", AS AN EDIT . since that was the only thing you could comment on, sad... EDIT: I used a ":-)" three comments ago as a mark of irony. Well, justin66 have no serious answer, so I end it here. Edit 2: Justin66 seems to downvote my comments in this old discussion now, with multiple accounts... 15+ downvotes on old and new comments in 20 minu…

Now that I know that not all of what you've written is meant to be taken seriously, I really have no idea what point you're trying to get across, aside from some vague pro-Israel, anti-Palestine thing. My mistake for responding to a message ending in ":-)" in the first place.

Re: Marc Benioff joins Valley notables backing Gaza’s first coding academy

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Post by berntb »

iblankm wrote: post #123
berntb wrote: post #116

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"just a matter of degree"? OK, let's look at it then: Side A is officially antisemitic in their founding document (Hamas) and TV programs (even for children!); they literally took inspirations from the 3rd Reich. They condone murders of civilians (even children) and pay pensions to the family of killed murderers. They have expelled all members of side B. They persecute members of side B everywhere on the planet where…

Why are we talking about Side A and Side B at all? Each of those is a vast overgeneralization. Israelis are diverse, as are Palestinians/Gazans. It's easy to make broad generalizations until you actually meet people on both sides and understand their human context. Have you ever met a Gazan (outside of any military situation, if you're Israeli and had to serve)? If not, check this out since it may be the closest you…

A comment from an hours old account... :-)

I was answering a claim "it was just a matter of degree".

I pointed out that claim was highly doubtful, but didn't get a serious answer. And I won't get one, obviously.

(Regarding the real subject of the post and your comment -- good luck.)

Edit: justin66 have two accounts and could downvote twice? I hope the admins of HN see this... :-)

Re: Marc Benioff joins Valley notables backing Gaza’s first coding academy

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Post by davidf18 »

shmerl wrote: post #125
davidf18 wrote: post #124

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The supervised elections were by US, UN or similar groups, not by Palestinian government. The Palestinians were given the chance to self-govern Gaza when Israel pulled out in 2005 and show the world community that they are capable of self-government. Instead Hamas was elected and Hamas shot many thousands of missiles into Israel.

> The supervised elections were by US, UN or similar groups, not by Palestinian government. How exactly does such supervision help? I.e. let's say someone votes (under supervision) today against, and then, killed tomorrow for being in opposition. You get the idea. Supervision has zero value when fascists control everything. Estimating by Egypt situation, around half of the population supports fascist groups, and half…

Hamas is part of Muslim Brotherhood, the group that assassinated Egyptian President Sadat.

They are terrorists who target among other things family restaurants (e.g., Sbarro in Jerusalem [1]) and teens dancing at Dolphinarium Discotheque. [2]

Incidentally, there were in fact Palestinians dancing in the streets during 9/11. (I was in Upper West Side of Manhattan when it happened).

http://www.foxnews.com/story/2001/09/13/palestinian-official...

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sbarro_restaurant_suicide_bomb...

[2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dolphinarium_discotheque_massa...

Re: Marc Benioff joins Valley notables backing Gaza’s first coding academy

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Post by shmerl »

davidf18 wrote: post #128
shmerl wrote: post #125

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> The supervised elections were by US, UN or similar groups, not by Palestinian government. How exactly does such supervision help? I.e. let's say someone votes (under supervision) today against, and then, killed tomorrow for being in opposition. You get the idea. Supervision has zero value when fascists control everything. Estimating by Egypt situation, around half of the population supports fascist groups, and half…

Hamas is part of Muslim Brotherhood, the group that assassinated Egyptian President Sadat. They are terrorists who target among other things family restaurants (e.g., Sbarro in Jerusalem [1]) and teens dancing at Dolphinarium Discotheque. [2] Incidentally, there were in fact Palestinians dancing in the streets during 9/11. (I was in Upper West Side of Manhattan when it happened). http://www.foxnews.com/story/2001/09/…

Exactly. And Muslim Brotherhood are fascists.

Re: Marc Benioff joins Valley notables backing Gaza’s first coding academy

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Post by justin66 »

berntb wrote: post #120
justin66 wrote: post #117

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> If you're going to argue that persecution and hatred of Jews are excusable because of X If it seemed to you that anything I wrote intended to argue that persecution and hatred of anyone is "excusable because of X", this was rather a waste of time. Which is of course a surprise, since discussion of the Palestinian conflict online is ordinarily so productive...

That was just answering a common bad argument in advance. I wrote it INSIDE "()", AS AN EDIT . since that was the only thing you could comment on, sad... EDIT: I used a ":-)" three comments ago as a mark of irony. Well, justin66 have no serious answer, so I end it here. Edit 2: Justin66 seems to downvote my comments in this old discussion now, with multiple accounts... 15+ downvotes on old and new comments in 20 minu…

I am absolutely not in the possession of two HN accounts. It strikes me as not completely inconceivable that someone else finds your posts on this topic, which seem to represent an internal dialogue as much as an attempt to communicate, irritating.
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