EPA Notifies Fiat Chrysler of Clean Air Act Violations
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Re: EPA Notifies Fiat Chrysler of Clean Air Act Violations
#2You think they would've done something after the Volkswagon disaster... this is either extreme ignorance (we don't really know what our code does) or malicious intent (let's hope we don't get caught like them).
Re: EPA Notifies Fiat Chrysler of Clean Air Act Violations
#3I have a feeling this is just the first in a long line of violations that are going to surface due to the VW scandal.
Re: EPA Notifies Fiat Chrysler of Clean Air Act Violations
#4You think they would've done something after the Volkswagon disaster... this is either extreme ignorance (we don't really know what our code does) or malicious intent (let's hope we don't get caught like them).
The release doesn't actually state that they violated emissions standards. It just says that they failed to notify the EPA of the presence of software that can alter the vehicle's emissions profile.
Do trucks and SUVs in the US even have emissions standards? I know they're exempt from emissions tests in many states which is part of the reason for their popularity.
Re: EPA Notifies Fiat Chrysler of Clean Air Act Violations
#5You think they would've done something after the Volkswagon disaster... this is either extreme ignorance (we don't really know what our code does) or malicious intent (let's hope we don't get caught like them).
The release doesn't actually state that they violated emissions standards. It just says that they failed to notify the EPA of the presence of software that can alter the vehicle's emissions profile. Do trucks and SUVs in the US even have emissions standards? I know they're exempt from emissions tests in many states which is part of the reason for their popularity.
Every passenger vehicle in the US has to meet emissions standards. Testing whether they actually meet those standards in everyday practice is up to the states. If you roll coal in rural Montana it's up to individual police officers whether to pull you over or not.
Re: EPA Notifies Fiat Chrysler of Clean Air Act Violations
#6You think they would've done something after the Volkswagon disaster... this is either extreme ignorance (we don't really know what our code does) or malicious intent (let's hope we don't get caught like them).
The release doesn't actually state that they violated emissions standards. It just says that they failed to notify the EPA of the presence of software that can alter the vehicle's emissions profile. Do trucks and SUVs in the US even have emissions standards? I know they're exempt from emissions tests in many states which is part of the reason for their popularity.
That's not why they're popular. They're popular because the average American thinks bigger is better and they also want a bigger car for when they have an accident, they can kill the other person instead of themselves.
Re: EPA Notifies Fiat Chrysler of Clean Air Act Violations
#7I have a feeling this is just the first in a long line of violations that are going to surface due to the VW scandal.
If you've ever been near a major automaker's test engineering lab, you quickly realize that ~all of them are doing shady things to hit their numbers.
This is a result of the cold hard engineering fact that our current level of technology is insufficient to hit the numbers without raising costs significantly. But once one automaker starts to fudge the numbers at a given price point, all the others must do the same thing or they fall behind. Being honest might add hundreds or thousands of dollars to the dealer cost of a family sedan, which is an absolute dealbreaker when your rivals are getting the same benefit by just lying.
There's a spectrum from shady-but-nearly-defensible to absolute lies, and different manufacturers fall on the spectrum at different points.
One that comes to mind is Mitsubishi [0], but there have been others. And as you suggest, there will be plenty more in the future.
[0] http://money.cnn.com/2016/04/26/news/companies/mitsubishi-ch...
Re: EPA Notifies Fiat Chrysler of Clean Air Act Violations
#8You think they would've done something after the Volkswagon disaster... this is either extreme ignorance (we don't really know what our code does) or malicious intent (let's hope we don't get caught like them).
The release doesn't actually state that they violated emissions standards. It just says that they failed to notify the EPA of the presence of software that can alter the vehicle's emissions profile. Do trucks and SUVs in the US even have emissions standards? I know they're exempt from emissions tests in many states which is part of the reason for their popularity.
Diesels are required to have a particulate filter: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diesel_particulate_filter
Which is usually used with exhaust fluid: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diesel_exhaust_fluid
Re: EPA Notifies Fiat Chrysler of Clean Air Act Violations
#9I have a feeling this is just the first in a long line of violations that are going to surface due to the VW scandal.
If you've ever been near a major automaker's test engineering lab, you quickly realize that ~all of them are doing shady things to hit their numbers. This is a result of the cold hard engineering fact that our current level of technology is insufficient to hit the numbers without raising costs significantly. But once one automaker starts to fudge the numbers at a given price point, all the others must do the same thi…
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Re: EPA Notifies Fiat Chrysler of Clean Air Act Violations
#10I have a feeling this is just the first in a long line of violations that are going to surface due to the VW scandal.
If you've ever been near a major automaker's test engineering lab, you quickly realize that ~all of them are doing shady things to hit their numbers. This is a result of the cold hard engineering fact that our current level of technology is insufficient to hit the numbers without raising costs significantly. But once one automaker starts to fudge the numbers at a given price point, all the others must do the same thi…
"This is a result of the cold hard engineering fact that our current level of technology is insufficient to hit the numbers without raising costs significantly. But once one automaker starts to fudge the numbers at a given price point, all the others must do the same thing or they fall behind."
I'm going to have to remember to bring this up as an example whenever people claim private industry can police/regulate themselves. It's perfect.