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Re: Introducing: The Facebook Journalism Project

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Post by nl »

bobcostas55 wrote: post #77
threeseed wrote: post #41

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The mainstream media did a fine job. Your criticism is completely misplaced. The New York Times, CNN, Guardian etc all reported the verified facts. Which is that a report was produced by an ex-MI6 spy looking into allegations that Russia had amongst others compromising video involving prostitutes/golden showers and President Elect Trump. This report was obtained by John McCain and passed to the FBI for verification.…

>They didn't publish the report. They didn't publish the allegations. That just makes it worse, doesn't it? The actual allegations are so insane it's obvious they're fake. By hiding them, they make it appear credible.

Wait, what?

So if they do publish the report (ie, Buzzfeed) then they get blamed for publishing false news.

If they report that the report was published, they get blamed for making it appear credible

I'll also point out that if they don't report things they get accused of being involved in a cover up.

What do you propose here exactly?

Re: Introducing: The Facebook Journalism Project

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Post by Larrikin »

philippnagel wrote: post #104
MasterScrat wrote: post #85

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Reminds me of the hackathon project made by MIT students. It was the same idea but it would mine BTC instead of doing ML in Javascript. Site archive here: https://web.archive.org/web/20140425180831/http://tidbit.co.... To be honest if I had a dead simple way to pay a few cents to read an article I would do it for a number of publications. But I'm not willing to signup individually to each one.

Seems like https://flattr.com is what you are looking for. It's a shame it isn't integrated widely.

The thing I don't line is that it's still very active instead of passive. I've been using rescue time to track time wasting. it'd be great to have a if there was something similar that presented the places I went and percentage of time I spent there with my budget spread accordingly.

Ideally with some kind of black list or white list feature.

Re: Introducing: The Facebook Journalism Project

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Post by _v7gu »

gdulli wrote: post #78
randyrand wrote: post #67

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There's plenty of fake news on both sides. It's amazing to me that people can be so far up their ass to no not notice that.

> Coler's company, Disinfomedia, owns many faux news sites — he won't say how many. But he says his is one of the biggest fake-news businesses out there, which makes him a sort of godfather of the industry. > Coler says his writers have tried to write fake news for liberals — but they just never take the bait. http://www.npr.org/sections/alltechconsidered/2016/11/23/503...

>> Coler says his writers have tried to write fake news for liberals — but they just never take the bait.

If you see this and your bias alarm isn't going crazy, then it needs some heavy readjustment.

Re: Introducing: The Facebook Journalism Project

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Post by aphextron »

I think this can only be positive. The status quo now is that real journalism is dying while clickbait nonsense makes makes money. If Facebook can work with traditional news agencies, whose strengths are their rigorous fact checking and journalistic integrity, to help them monetize more effectively then everyone wins.

Re: Introducing: The Facebook Journalism Project

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Post by aphextron »

notatoad wrote: post #63
mattlevan wrote: post #8

Is there anything Zuckerberg doesn't want to get his company involved with? It's been said on HN again and again, but I'm really looking forward to a decentralized digital publishing platform that gains momentum and actually gives Facebook a run for its money. Anyone know of any such existing platforms up and running now? Last I looked into this, I discovered "Steemit", but it doesn't seem very promising.

>Is there anything Zuckerberg doesn't want to get his company involved with? I've seen quite a few comments (on HN and elsewhere) since all the "fake news" buzz started saying essentially "Facebook needs to stop pretending they aren't a news company. They are where people get their news, and they need to take responsibility for that" And I completely agree. Whether zuck wants to be in the news business or not, he alr…

>And I completely agree. Whether zuck wants to be in the news business or not, he already is. Might as well do a good job of it.

No, they're not. Facebook is a news aggregate. They are no more in the News business than I would be if I wrote a script to scrape news web sites for articles to read myself.

The confusion between actual news sources and information aggregates online has caused this "fake news" crisis in the first place.

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Post by erikpukinskis »

jawns wrote: post #16

This is sort of like Amazon announcing that it wants to strengthen its partnership with mom-and-pop shops, and help those mom-and-pop shops sell products in new and innovative ways. I'm a former journalist who used to work for a metro daily newspaper that has long suffered, as most newspapers have, from declining ad revenue. For these papers, the only reason to partner with Facebook is because they feel they have lit…

> the only reason to partner with Facebook is because they feel they have little choice.

What? Can you explain what you mean? Newspapers have more choices than ever before. The only choice they don't have is one very specific business model: paper routes supported by classified ads.

Other than that, the world is your oyster. The periodicals industry is alive and well.

Re: Introducing: The Facebook Journalism Project

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Post by erikpukinskis »

save_ferris wrote: post #47
jawns wrote: post #16

This is sort of like Amazon announcing that it wants to strengthen its partnership with mom-and-pop shops, and help those mom-and-pop shops sell products in new and innovative ways. I'm a former journalist who used to work for a metro daily newspaper that has long suffered, as most newspapers have, from declining ad revenue. For these papers, the only reason to partner with Facebook is because they feel they have lit…

This. I'm a back end dev at a small non-profit news org and it blows my mind how fast my employer wants us to integrate with FB instant articles and AMP without considering the consequences (AMP traffic staying in Google's network, etc.) Coming from a startup where our data was proprietary and execution meant everything, it feels weird sometimes that I get paid to make it as easy as possible for Google, FB, and other…

Google, Facebook, etc, are marketing platforms. They are giving you marketing in exchange for content. It's equivalent to what you would've had to do in the past, which is pay somebody to go door to door selling your newspaper, giving out free copies of the newspaper. The free newspapers aren't your product, they're an ad for your product.

If you can't convert attention on Google/Facebook into your own ad revenue then you should stop purchasing advertising with content and you should focus on conversion.

Re: Introducing: The Facebook Journalism Project

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Post by matt4077 »

Vaskivo wrote: post #12
Qworg wrote: post #6

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How do you draw the line between "alternative media" and "lies"?

You shouldn't censor lies. You should prove that they are lies. [EDIT] (just to add something to my post) If you delete/ommit/censor lies youd end up with: a) If every lie is removed, maybe everything that was removed is a lie. Which is not true. b) You end up with a "cry wolf situation", which may blow up hardly on facebook. You don't "cry wolf". You show that the wolf is there. Otherwise, the first time you screw u…

There's this old saying: "You can't prove a negative". It's wrong in that you often can indeed prove a negative, but the idea is still useful. Example: What would it take to conclusively proof that I never killed anybody vs. that I did? For the former, you'd basically need a continuous video feed from my birth.

(b) "hardly" means something other than what you're thinking. No worries, many Russians make that mistake when speaking english.

Re: Introducing: The Facebook Journalism Project

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Post by Kalium »

huckyaus wrote: post #109
Kalium wrote: post #95

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> But so far, the news industry has not found anything that adequately replaces the print-ad-driven business model that served it so well for so long. I shell out of Nautilus and The Economist. The content is excellent and engaging. The access is reasonable. Ads are not obnoxious or intrusive. It seems to me that there are perfectly functional models here...

The overall industry trends suggest that you're part of a tiny minority, so I don't think this model is an "adequate replacement" at present.

I don't think it needs to be an adequate replacement for the whole industry. Just the parts worth preserving.
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