How can it be at 1.0 and still have not implemented secret chats?
Um, secret chats have been there for a long time.
It doesn't seem so: https://github.com/telegramdesktop/tdesktop/issues/871
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At least that's what they tell you. We can't know for sure because it's closed-source.
WhatsApp is as closed as the version of Telegram you download from the (App|Play) Store. Before you say "but I can compile it myself", think of how many people will ever bother to do that.
Same as every other app including Signal. For the record, not advocating using Telegram over Signal.
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I was just about to post something similar. I'm actually surprised to see a positive post of Telegram on HN. For the love of crypto, please stick to Signal protocol-based messaging applications. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Signal_Protocol Edit: add link http://www.cryptofails.com/post/70546720222/telegrams-crypta...
Are there any Signal-based messaging applications that work on the desktop without having to tether an Android or IOS smartphone to it, and without having to use a phone number as identifier?
Wire.
* open source, code on github
* e2e encryption (apparently derivative of Signal's Axolotl double ratchet)
* chat/voice/video, and group chats (all encrypted always)
* based in Switzerland, coding out of Berlin
* clients for iOS, Android, Mac, Windows, Linux, Web
* can sign up with phone number or email (or username? Not sure - I think you can find contacts via username, not sure you can sign up without email)
* reasonably responsive on twitter
* yada yada yada
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#54Telegram is one of the best solutions thanks to its bots and channels.
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#55I use WhatsApp currently and so does everyone I know, is it worth switching and trying to convince other people to use it?
Not until Telegram also adopts end-to-end encryption by default, as WhatsApp has done. I'm not sure they even have a real reason for not doing it yet. At this point there are at least a couple other open source protocols that work like Signal but have nothing to do with Signal and Open Whisper Systems, that they could adopt. So even if they hate OWS for criticizing them in the past, that's not a reason not to adopt t…
Of course they have a real reason: message sync. Telegram works on your PC, in your browser, on your phone, on your tablet, in your raspberry pi tty... all with the same messages synced everywhere, which you wouldn't be able to get with end2end crypto. Sure, Whatsapp kinda does it with the web/desktop clients, but it's a horrible hack requiring your phone to be on and connected all the time...
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I am not going to comment on the quality of telegram but whatsapp have been using top notch crypto for some time: https://whispersystems.org/blog/whatsapp-complete/
According to https://www.eff.org/node/82654 whatsapp 6 out of 7 telegram(in secret chat) 7 out of 7 So i am not going to comment on the quality of whatsapp, because their sources are closed.
Completely out of date.
Try this one: https://www.securemessagingapps.com
Recommends Signal and (with caveats) Threema and Wire.
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According to https://www.eff.org/node/82654 whatsapp 6 out of 7 telegram(in secret chat) 7 out of 7 So i am not going to comment on the quality of whatsapp, because their sources are closed.
But I think you need to mention by default telegram is 4 out of 7, by default whatsapp is 6 out of 7 if you want to compare that kind of thing. Most people are not going to use the secret chat.
Is anyone so incapable that they would not know how to enable the secure features?
Most people don't care about secret chat. This is for people who care. Granted, they don't have secret chat on Desktop which makes the whole app useless in general unless you only use phones for communication.
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It's rather a web app than a desktop application, isn't it?
It's not a desktop app, but the original requirement never stated that.
There's a desktop app for Windows. There's also a web app at https://messenger.com. You can disable your Facebook account and still use Messenger
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Not until Telegram also adopts end-to-end encryption by default, as WhatsApp has done. I'm not sure they even have a real reason for not doing it yet. At this point there are at least a couple other open source protocols that work like Signal but have nothing to do with Signal and Open Whisper Systems, that they could adopt. So even if they hate OWS for criticizing them in the past, that's not a reason not to adopt t…
Of course they have a real reason: message sync. Telegram works on your PC, in your browser, on your phone, on your tablet, in your raspberry pi tty... all with the same messages synced everywhere, which you wouldn't be able to get with end2end crypto. Sure, Whatsapp kinda does it with the web/desktop clients, but it's a horrible hack requiring your phone to be on and connected all the time...
How is it related?
AFAIK Signal has sync between desktop and mobile doesn't have to be constantly on to use the desktop client
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#60I use WhatsApp currently and so does everyone I know, is it worth switching and trying to convince other people to use it?
Yes, totally worth it.
Not there yet privacy-wise as others point out, but at least you get an open API and the ability to use your own clients.