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Re: Telegram Desktop reaches version 1.0

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I am not going to comment on the quality of telegram but whatsapp have been using top notch crypto for some time: https://whispersystems.org/blog/whatsapp-complete/

At least that's what they tell you. We can't know for sure because it's closed-source.

WhatsApp is as closed as the version of Telegram you download from the (App|Play) Store.

Before you say "but I can compile it myself", think of how many people will ever bother to do that.

Re: Telegram Desktop reaches version 1.0

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I was just about to post something similar. I'm actually surprised to see a positive post of Telegram on HN. For the love of crypto, please stick to Signal protocol-based messaging applications. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Signal_Protocol Edit: add link http://www.cryptofails.com/post/70546720222/telegrams-crypta...

Are there any Signal-based messaging applications that work on the desktop without having to tether an Android or IOS smartphone to it, and without having to use a phone number as identifier?

Wire? (Haven't tried it personally, and I don't think there is an independent review of their implementation of the crypto)

Re: Telegram Desktop reaches version 1.0

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It's ok i guess. Everyone had used whatsapp with no encryption at all before they implemented p2p. I switched from skype to telegram because of its much smaller memory footprint. 400mb+ for skype, 63mb(current) for telegram.

I am not going to comment on the quality of telegram but whatsapp have been using top notch crypto for some time: https://whispersystems.org/blog/whatsapp-complete/

According to https://www.eff.org/node/82654

whatsapp 6 out of 7

telegram(in secret chat) 7 out of 7

So i am not going to comment on the quality of whatsapp, because their sources are closed.

Re: Telegram Desktop reaches version 1.0

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I use Telegram with my geek friends. Works.

My friends are geeks and my family got Telegram as well now. Works!

Journalists used to use telegram to communicate with Jihadis in Syria/Iraq/Egypt but not anymore because it was highly suspected Russia had access to the conversations. Works?

Re: Telegram Desktop reaches version 1.0

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PSA: Telegram is dangerous snake oil—bad crypto. Don't use it, don't let friends use it. https://twitter.com/matthew_d_green/status/81899003583181619... https://twitter.com/kaepora/status/819181464369577984 https://twitter.com/matthew_d_green/status/81919238137120358...

> PSA: Telegram is dangerous snake oil 1. They don't claim to do end to end crypto unless you use the secret chats 2. The secret chats still aren't broken. Since 2013, I'd think at least one "crypto expert" (which all said a custom protocol was a bad idea) would have taken the effort to prove it by now. 3. Whatsapp claims to have better encryption, and they probably do, but it's 1) a lot less convenient and 2) unveri…

4. Open source, you say? Technically, yes. But in fact they love to abandon github repos while still releasing new versions. Take a look at iOS sources: https://github.com/peter-iakovlev/Telegram/

Re: Telegram Desktop reaches version 1.0

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I am not going to comment on the quality of telegram but whatsapp have been using top notch crypto for some time: https://whispersystems.org/blog/whatsapp-complete/

According to https://www.eff.org/node/82654 whatsapp 6 out of 7 telegram(in secret chat) 7 out of 7 So i am not going to comment on the quality of whatsapp, because their sources are closed.

But I think you need to mention by default telegram is 4 out of 7, by default whatsapp is 6 out of 7 if you want to compare that kind of thing.

Most people are not going to use the secret chat.

Re: Telegram Desktop reaches version 1.0

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I use WhatsApp currently and so does everyone I know, is it worth switching and trying to convince other people to use it?

Not until Telegram also adopts end-to-end encryption by default, as WhatsApp has done.

I'm not sure they even have a real reason for not doing it yet. At this point there are at least a couple other open source protocols that work like Signal but have nothing to do with Signal and Open Whisper Systems, that they could adopt. So even if they hate OWS for criticizing them in the past, that's not a reason not to adopt the alternatives at this point.

I'd probably be content if they even take one of those and fork it and customize it for their own purposes, as long as their "math Ph.Ds" don't completely break the crypto again.

Re: Telegram Desktop reaches version 1.0

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I am not going to comment on the quality of telegram but whatsapp have been using top notch crypto for some time: https://whispersystems.org/blog/whatsapp-complete/

According to https://www.eff.org/node/82654 whatsapp 6 out of 7 telegram(in secret chat) 7 out of 7 So i am not going to comment on the quality of whatsapp, because their sources are closed.

> This is version 1.0 of our scorecard; it is out of date, and is preserved here for purely historical reasons.
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