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China has wealth of data on what individuals are doing at a micro level

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Re: China has wealth of data on what individuals are doing at a micro level

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What a silly article: "download the controls to the private sector" indeed. The government already owns the telcos, half the banks, the only domestic interbank transfer system and the only domestic travel reservation system so they have your IMEI, real time location and history, network traffic, bank balance and payment and employment history and travel plans anyway. And that of your friends/relatives. They certainly…

What a silly comment, complete with the mandatory "it's worse in the US" passage that mysteriously appears in half of the comments to China-related articles on HN.

Yes, the governments owns telcos etc. Yes, they probably have files on people they consider a threat, such as human rights activists. But to think that all that data is accessible in some kind of coherent manner is ridiculous. This is China, where banks cannot even access information between physical branches of the same bank because of its bizarrely inefficient IT infrastructure. The telcos have been trying to enforce the "real-name" policy for SIM cards for months, yet you can still easily buy and use a SIM card on the street.

They definitely need help from an app, because private Chinese tech companies are somewhat competent compared to the government IT sector.

Do you really feel safer in a country where you can get jailed without trial, where you can jailed, deported and banned from re-entry based on a urine test at the whim of some provincial government official that you crossed paths with? In China, the biggest threat is the government.

Re: China has wealth of data on what individuals are doing at a micro level

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I often wonder what's missing to create and simulate a detailed economic model down to the individual level for and entire country or even the world.

There are only 7 billion people to simulate, that doesn't actually sound like that much anymore.

Obviously one would not simulate every individual with realistic human-like AI, but with a statistical economic model.

How much and what kind of data would one need for this to be useful, for example to predict if a certain new political initiative will actually work?

Or is this already being done? Or is it not needed? Or just still too expensive?

Re: China has wealth of data on what individuals are doing at a micro level

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post #112

I often wonder what's missing to create and simulate a detailed economic model down to the individual level for and entire country or even the world. There are only 7 billion people to simulate, that doesn't actually sound like that much anymore. Obviously one would not simulate every individual with realistic human-like AI, but with a statistical economic model. How much and what kind of data would one need for this…

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Psychohistory_(fictional)

Re: China has wealth of data on what individuals are doing at a micro level

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post #78

This is what comes out of Google allowing apps to read phone IMEI in Android. I have no concrete proof, but the reason why all major Chinese apps snoop after phone IMEI is said to be that the commies have secretly demanded Chinese dotcoms to collect and report phone IMEIs. For example if you have a 6.0 or later Android, Alibaba app will block you if you disabled the permission to read IMEI or it detects spoofing. htt…

> Google allowing apps to read > phone IMEI in Android An unpopular sentiment, but this is why I love iOS. I genuinely don't think any of my apps can meaningfully spy on me without my having told them they may. I even get reminders if I've let an app read my location in the background, to check that's what I want to do.

Not so unpopular...

Re: China has wealth of data on what individuals are doing at a micro level

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post #114

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Google allowing apps to read > phone IMEI in Android An unpopular sentiment, but this is why I love iOS. I genuinely don't think any of my apps can meaningfully spy on me without my having told them they may. I even get reminders if I've let an app read my location in the background, to check that's what I want to do.

Not so unpopular...

Historically unpopular :-)

Re: China has wealth of data on what individuals are doing at a micro level

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post #99

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>That said, after 16 years in and out of China, I still feel safer here than the US. Can you elaborate on why is it?

Physically: Fights are rare, guns are extremely rare, even if a disagreement turns loud and verbal it usually works out without police involvement. Cars: lots of 'em, but they don't move fast so the roads tend to be friendlier to pedestrians and cyclists. Medical care doesn't have overheads so high as to result in triple-mortgages and suicide watch. Socially: Urban environments tend to offer more of a sense of commun…

Lies.

Fights are very common, especially in the north-east. Foreigners are often assaulted for being foreigners. Last year, a foreigner-Chinese couple was attacked by a sword-wielding man for being a foreigner-Chinese couple in one of the busiest areas of Beijing, rife with police. The woman died [1].

Roads are very friendly to pedestrians indeed, where the driver will most likely try to run you over again to kill you so they won't have to pay medical fees [2].

Medical care is entirely commercial, and you won't even be attended to by a nurse until you wait in line and pay your bill. Some reference regarding medical care is here [3]. Additionally, health workers are often incompetent, don't follow hygiene requirements, etc. There is anecdotal evidence that the entry barrier to becoming a nurse is purchasing a nursing certificate online. And let's not forget how a government-supported healthcare program gave AIDS to hundreds of thousands of people less than 20 years ago [4].

Urban environments are polluted, grey and soulless, and cities are almost undistinguishable from one another besides the pollution level varying from "high" to "hazardous". I'm not going even to start about the legal system, since it is doesn't exist. Whoever knows the judge wins the case (it's never the foreigner).

[1] https://thenanfang.com/woman-stabbed-sanlitun-man-sword-grap...

[2] http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/foreigners/2...

[3] http://fortune.com/2016/07/10/china-healthcare-costs-debt/

[4] https://www.theguardian.com/world/2001/jun/11/china.internat...

Re: China has wealth of data on what individuals are doing at a micro level

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post #78

This is what comes out of Google allowing apps to read phone IMEI in Android. I have no concrete proof, but the reason why all major Chinese apps snoop after phone IMEI is said to be that the commies have secretly demanded Chinese dotcoms to collect and report phone IMEIs. For example if you have a 6.0 or later Android, Alibaba app will block you if you disabled the permission to read IMEI or it detects spoofing. htt…

> Google allowing apps to read > phone IMEI in Android An unpopular sentiment, but this is why I love iOS. I genuinely don't think any of my apps can meaningfully spy on me without my having told them they may. I even get reminders if I've let an app read my location in the background, to check that's what I want to do.

This was the primary reason I chose iOS over android.

Re: China has wealth of data on what individuals are doing at a micro level

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post #78

This is what comes out of Google allowing apps to read phone IMEI in Android. I have no concrete proof, but the reason why all major Chinese apps snoop after phone IMEI is said to be that the commies have secretly demanded Chinese dotcoms to collect and report phone IMEIs. For example if you have a 6.0 or later Android, Alibaba app will block you if you disabled the permission to read IMEI or it detects spoofing. htt…

Please ELI5; What info about your actions can IMEI info/actions give anyone with access?

Re: China has wealth of data on what individuals are doing at a micro level

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post #31

As an American, I would never download a Chinese app like WeChat or use a digital service based in China.

I'm German and (as stereotypes would have it) extremely privacy conscious. Having lived in the US for over a decade I've reluctantly come to terms with the lesser privacy standards here. For a long time I refused to keep a lot of information on Facebook as Facebook seemed to only consider privacy as an afterthought after users expressed outrage (I appreciate transparency about the use of data so I can make my own dec…

No it's not. There's Whatsapp for starters, which isn't blocked in China. There's always email. If your Chinese friends are ignorant about privacy, it doesn't mean you need to sacrifice yours.

> the utility of using WeChat or Baidu Maps was simply too great

"Give me convenience or give me death"

Re: China has wealth of data on what individuals are doing at a micro level

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post #78

This is what comes out of Google allowing apps to read phone IMEI in Android. I have no concrete proof, but the reason why all major Chinese apps snoop after phone IMEI is said to be that the commies have secretly demanded Chinese dotcoms to collect and report phone IMEIs. For example if you have a 6.0 or later Android, Alibaba app will block you if you disabled the permission to read IMEI or it detects spoofing. htt…

Please ELI5; What info about your actions can IMEI info/actions give anyone with access?

Tracking people (phones) across apps and services.
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