China has wealth of data on what individuals are doing at a micro level
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Re: China has wealth of data on what individuals are doing at a micro level
#2Pretty terrifying. I'd love to see a more detailed analysis of the datasets they received. It sounds like both governmental and private surveillance systems in China may be pretty leaky.
I wonder if the information is leaked through hacks or compromised individuals.
Re: China has wealth of data on what individuals are doing at a micro level
#3Pretty terrifying. I'd love to see a more detailed analysis of the datasets they received. It sounds like both governmental and private surveillance systems in China may be pretty leaky. I wonder if the information is leaked through hacks or compromised individuals.
The article says they are through the government. This includes immigration records, telecom GPS information, financial transactions, etc. Most of it is not coming through social media sites.
Re: China has wealth of data on what individuals are doing at a micro level
#4It is precisely the same in the United States, it is just somewhat deniable there due to things like the FISA court.
It allows peoples' inherent belief in American virtue to doublethink themselves into believing that the NSA doesn't collect this high-res data in bulk from Facebook and Google and Amazon and Apple and the mobile carriers—when we have clear documents showing that they do.
LOVEINT is real. The large social networks and communications providers are an official arm of the surveillance state, with all of the unfettered access to high resolution data that entails.
Your doctor or hospital hosts data in AWS? Pretty sure HIPAA doesn't count in this case when they're just sucking up all of the traffic in bulk.
Your social media and financial data are already being aggregated and sold—we know this, too.
Re: China has wealth of data on what individuals are doing at a micro level
#5It is precisely the same in the United States, it is just somewhat deniable there due to things like the FISA court. It allows peoples' inherent belief in American virtue to doublethink themselves into believing that the NSA doesn't collect this high-res data in bulk from Facebook and Google and Amazon and Apple and the mobile carriers—when we have clear documents showing that they do. LOVEINT is real. The large soci…
Source? Data that supports this? There are certainly means of surveillance, but not likely to the same level or accessibility that is shown in the article.
Please elaborate instead of making a blanket statement :)
Re: China has wealth of data on what individuals are doing at a micro level
#6Pretty terrifying. I'd love to see a more detailed analysis of the datasets they received. It sounds like both governmental and private surveillance systems in China may be pretty leaky. I wonder if the information is leaked through hacks or compromised individuals.
The article says they are through the government. This includes immigration records, telecom GPS information, financial transactions, etc. Most of it is not coming through social media sites.
The government collects and organizes the data, but presumably there's no Chinese government website offering citizens access to this database. Who exfiltrates the data and sells it?
Corrupt officials is an obvious answer. Or hackers- given all the terrifying hacks of U.S. government databases that are reported, its likely as not Chinese databases are just as vulnerable, and they're much less likely to inform the public of breaches.
In either event, its potentially an example of China's government stability efforts coming around to bite them- how many incriminating details of government officials are tucked away in this database, for sale to the highest bidder?
Re: China has wealth of data on what individuals are doing at a micro level
#7It is precisely the same in the United States, it is just somewhat deniable there due to things like the FISA court. It allows peoples' inherent belief in American virtue to doublethink themselves into believing that the NSA doesn't collect this high-res data in bulk from Facebook and Google and Amazon and Apple and the mobile carriers—when we have clear documents showing that they do. LOVEINT is real. The large soci…
> Your doctor or hospital hosts data in AWS? Pretty sure HIPAA doesn't count in this case.
False. I work for a company in the education space that uses AWS. We're unambiguously bound by FERPA. It is inconceivable to me that a stricter law like HIPAA wouldn't also bind cloud-based companies.
EDIT: Moreover: https://aws.amazon.com/compliance/hipaa-compliance/
Re: China has wealth of data on what individuals are doing at a micro level
#8It is precisely the same in the United States, it is just somewhat deniable there due to things like the FISA court. It allows peoples' inherent belief in American virtue to doublethink themselves into believing that the NSA doesn't collect this high-res data in bulk from Facebook and Google and Amazon and Apple and the mobile carriers—when we have clear documents showing that they do. LOVEINT is real. The large soci…
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Re: China has wealth of data on what individuals are doing at a micro level
#9It is precisely the same in the United States, it is just somewhat deniable there due to things like the FISA court. It allows peoples' inherent belief in American virtue to doublethink themselves into believing that the NSA doesn't collect this high-res data in bulk from Facebook and Google and Amazon and Apple and the mobile carriers—when we have clear documents showing that they do. LOVEINT is real. The large soci…
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Re: China has wealth of data on what individuals are doing at a micro level
#10It is precisely the same in the United States, it is just somewhat deniable there due to things like the FISA court. It allows peoples' inherent belief in American virtue to doublethink themselves into believing that the NSA doesn't collect this high-res data in bulk from Facebook and Google and Amazon and Apple and the mobile carriers—when we have clear documents showing that they do. LOVEINT is real. The large soci…
> Your doctor or hospital hosts data in AWS? Pretty sure HIPAA doesn't count in this case. False. I work for a company in the education space that uses AWS. We're unambiguously bound by FERPA. It is inconceivable to me that a stricter law like HIPAA wouldn't also bind cloud-based companies. EDIT: Moreover: https://aws.amazon.com/compliance/hipaa-compliance/
> False. I work for a company in the education space that uses AWS. We're unambiguously bound by FERPA. It is inconceivable to me that a stricter law like HIPAA wouldn't also bind cloud-based companies.
I think the GP was asserting that the NSA doesn't care about HIPAA, not asserting something about HIPAA and Amazon & companies using AWS.