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Re: Introducing: The Facebook Journalism Project

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Post by threeseed »

collias wrote: post #7
setra wrote: post #2

I'm sure this will be used for censoring political groups, and alternative media. As mainstream news sources become less popular / reputable they have really started pushing for methods to censor their opposition.

Exactly. Yesterday was a great example of mainstream sources losing credibility. They were all over the (as far as I know) totally unverified document that an intelligence agency decided to leak to Buzzfeed for some reason. They wonder why no one trusts them anymore...

The mainstream media did a fine job. Your criticism is completely misplaced.

The New York Times, CNN, Guardian etc all reported the verified facts. Which is that a report was produced by an ex-MI6 spy looking into allegations that Russia had amongst others compromising video involving prostitutes/golden showers and President Elect Trump. This report was obtained by John McCain and passed to the FBI for verification. They didn't publish the report. They didn't publish the allegations. The presence and gist of the report is newsworthy because the spy in question has by all accounts impeccable credentials which McCain and the CIA/FBI made statements about. That is all they reported.

BuzzFeed were the ones who decided to publish the report and all of the above organisations heavily criticised them for it afterwards questioning their ethics etc.

Re: Introducing: The Facebook Journalism Project

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Post by threeseed »

ConfuciusSay02 wrote: post #10
collias wrote: post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Exactly. Yesterday was a great example of mainstream sources losing credibility. They were all over the (as far as I know) totally unverified document that an intelligence agency decided to leak to Buzzfeed for some reason. They wonder why no one trusts them anymore...

The fact that mainstream journalists are caught letting political operatives write their articles for them doesn't help their credibility either. Oh, and they're of course silent when it comes to reporting on their own corruption.

You are talking in such generalities it makes absolutely no sense. The media is not a single company.

You can't just say everyone is corrupt simply because on one specific day from one specific publication they failed to report their own corrupt behaviour.

Re: Introducing: The Facebook Journalism Project

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Post by spdustin »

cshenoy wrote: post #32
jawns wrote: post #16

This is sort of like Amazon announcing that it wants to strengthen its partnership with mom-and-pop shops, and help those mom-and-pop shops sell products in new and innovative ways. I'm a former journalist who used to work for a metro daily newspaper that has long suffered, as most newspapers have, from declining ad revenue. For these papers, the only reason to partner with Facebook is because they feel they have lit…

Interesting. Who is the reputed cannibal or was that said in jest?

It's used as a simile to anthropomorphize Facebook - FaceBook is like the cannibal that invites you, the business he's eating, over for dinner.

Re: Introducing: The Facebook Journalism Project

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Post by pavel_lishin »

mattlevan wrote: post #8

Is there anything Zuckerberg doesn't want to get his company involved with? It's been said on HN again and again, but I'm really looking forward to a decentralized digital publishing platform that gains momentum and actually gives Facebook a run for its money. Anyone know of any such existing platforms up and running now? Last I looked into this, I discovered "Steemit", but it doesn't seem very promising.

I mean, there's always RSS, but that's always had the issue of adoption.

Is Steemit just a Reddit clone with the blockchain buzzword sprinkled on?

Re: Introducing: The Facebook Journalism Project

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Post by mattlevan »

sogen wrote: post #38
mattlevan wrote: post #8

Is there anything Zuckerberg doesn't want to get his company involved with? It's been said on HN again and again, but I'm really looking forward to a decentralized digital publishing platform that gains momentum and actually gives Facebook a run for its money. Anyone know of any such existing platforms up and running now? Last I looked into this, I discovered "Steemit", but it doesn't seem very promising.

Old stuff I remember that used to live on the internets: mIRC, BBS, Usenet groups, Online Chat, Forums

Oh, yea. How could I forget? I still use IRC on a daily basis... I don't think of it as a place to read news, though.

Re: Introducing: The Facebook Journalism Project

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Post by threeseed »

gspetr wrote: post #24
collias wrote: post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It reminds me of that clip of CNN saying that we could only get the Wikileaks emails through their interpretation, and we shouldn't be reading them ourselves. ...turns out it was because they were implicated in them. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7DcATG9Qy_A

CNN is so corrupt it looks like a parody network. Their most egregious breach of ethics to date: On October 31, 2016, the New York Times reported: "CNN has severed ties with the Democratic strategist Donna Brazile, after hacked emails from WikiLeaks showed that she shared questions for CNN-sponsored candidate events in advance with friends on Hillary Clinton's campaign." CNN said it had accepted her formal resignatio…

Donna Brazile shared questions with the candidates and CNN promptly terminated her position.

What exactly did CNN do wrong here ? By your definition every company that has a employee who makes an egregious mistake is corrupt.

Re: Introducing: The Facebook Journalism Project

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Post by save_ferris »

jawns wrote: post #16

This is sort of like Amazon announcing that it wants to strengthen its partnership with mom-and-pop shops, and help those mom-and-pop shops sell products in new and innovative ways. I'm a former journalist who used to work for a metro daily newspaper that has long suffered, as most newspapers have, from declining ad revenue. For these papers, the only reason to partner with Facebook is because they feel they have lit…

This.

I'm a back end dev at a small non-profit news org and it blows my mind how fast my employer wants us to integrate with FB instant articles and AMP without considering the consequences (AMP traffic staying in Google's network, etc.) Coming from a startup where our data was proprietary and execution meant everything, it feels weird sometimes that I get paid to make it as easy as possible for Google, FB, and others to access our content at scale (for free) while the news organization bears the infrastructure and engineering costs to do so.

These big companies aren't in this to help media companies, they've successfully commoditized content production and demanded news organizations to get with their program or get buried and forgotten.

Re: Introducing: The Facebook Journalism Project

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Post by mcintyre1994 »

threeseed wrote: post #41
collias wrote: post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Exactly. Yesterday was a great example of mainstream sources losing credibility. They were all over the (as far as I know) totally unverified document that an intelligence agency decided to leak to Buzzfeed for some reason. They wonder why no one trusts them anymore...

The mainstream media did a fine job. Your criticism is completely misplaced. The New York Times, CNN, Guardian etc all reported the verified facts. Which is that a report was produced by an ex-MI6 spy looking into allegations that Russia had amongst others compromising video involving prostitutes/golden showers and President Elect Trump. This report was obtained by John McCain and passed to the FBI for verification.…

I don't see why Buzzfeed are being criticised for it either, because they only reported verified facts - that the report was going around, that it was neither verified or falsified, that it contained errors and falsehoods. I imagine the others are just annoyed Buzzfeed jumped first when they all had it so they're criticising them.

Re: Introducing: The Facebook Journalism Project

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Post by sergiotapia »

setra wrote: post #2

I'm sure this will be used for censoring political groups, and alternative media. As mainstream news sources become less popular / reputable they have really started pushing for methods to censor their opposition.

"Fake News" put some egg on their face and they're scrambling to find a way to censor alternative news.
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