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Re: Open offices are bad for us

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Strangely, open offices with cubicles can be more expensive than building drywall walls to make closed offices. And the much-vaunted flexibility of cubicles is way, way overrated. In my experience, cubicles sit in the same place for years. Any benefit of re-using them is lost. Also if the company is growing, new ones get bought all the time, so old ones aren't re-used anyway. Its obvious on the face of it: re-usable…

>We need some kind of vaccine to combat it. The vaccine is a startup that is 10x (or even just 2x) better than everyone else because they use private offices. Since that hypothetical business hasn't yet proven that idea, all the articles from journalists writing about "open offices bad" are just preaching to the choir. Even the common cited reason for open offices being "saves real estate costs" is questionable. As a…

FogCreek / StackOverflow might be an example of this. https://stackoverflow.blog/2015/01/why-we-still-believe-in-p...

Re: Open offices are bad for us

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I personally love open offices. Collaboration benefits aside, I like people and I'd go insane working in a silent solo prison every day (been there!). The meme of "open offices are terrible for everyone and it's only evil management that likes them" is bullcrap. Myself and a lot of other people I know prefer them. Guess what, people are different!

Just curious, do you ever need to be "in the zone" to get your work done? If you do and you're distracted, is it hard for you to get back in the zone? Is it hard to do several times an hour?

Re: Open offices are bad for us

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post #96

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Strangely, open offices with cubicles can be more expensive than building drywall walls to make closed offices. And the much-vaunted flexibility of cubicles is way, way overrated. In my experience, cubicles sit in the same place for years. Any benefit of re-using them is lost. Also if the company is growing, new ones get bought all the time, so old ones aren't re-used anyway. Its obvious on the face of it: re-usable…

>We need some kind of vaccine to combat it. The vaccine is a startup that is 10x (or even just 2x) better than everyone else because they use private offices. Since that hypothetical business hasn't yet proven that idea, all the articles from journalists writing about "open offices bad" are just preaching to the choir. Even the common cited reason for open offices being "saves real estate costs" is questionable. As a…

They may work when people have enough work diciplin to not interrupt with irrelevant things. Which it looks like they can manage in the pictures. But when you have a constant stream of people interrupting with things that should just have been an email or slack message, it kills productivity.

Re: Open offices are bad for us

#164

You could just wear ear muffs and mostly solve the noisy office problem. I wear them when I'm not listening to music and have improved my productivity and happiness at work. (And this is at a cubicle office which is still quite noisy.) http://www.3m.com/3M/en_US/company-us/all-3m-products/~/3M-P...

You also have visual distractions in an open office.

I've just had at least a dozen people walk past my line of sight in the last minute and and it's distracting as hell for me.

Re: Open offices are bad for us

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I've been working remotely for the past 2 years or so, and am never going back. If I really need to focus, phone and Slack are both off, and I stand at my personal whiteboard and think. It's almost impossible (for me) to think without quiet and guaranteed lack of interruption.

Re: Open offices are bad for us

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No. Fuck that. I don't normally curse on here, but I think it's warranted. I own a great pair of over ear, noise cancelling headphones. But I shouldn't have to risk damaging my hearing because management thinks having developers sit in the middle of a bunch of salespeople and project managers is a good idea.

A million time this. Ear damage accumulates over time. I am sure that excessive headphone usage at work will be number one reason of hearing loss in a few years. Unless we turn things around.

How loud do people turn their headphones at work?

Re: Open offices are bad for us

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One doesn't actually have to listen to anything through the headphones. I've used noise cancelling without music in the past. I also have a set of earbud rubber thingies that have been stoppered with hot glue and a short piece of hollow lolly stick. Those fit better (don't feel itchy after long periods) and provide more isolation than the squishy yellow ear protectors.

Nose canceling headphones don't work for blocking conversations.

Not all, but some achieve very nice results.

E.g. Bose Quiet Comfort 20 are indeed good also for blocking more quiet conversations.

https://www.amazon.com/Bose-QuietComfort-Acoustic-Cancelling...

Re: Open offices are bad for us

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A million time this. Ear damage accumulates over time. I am sure that excessive headphone usage at work will be number one reason of hearing loss in a few years. Unless we turn things around.

How loud do people turn their headphones at work?

That depends obviously, go ask araound. I would say some louder, some less.

Re: Open offices are bad for us

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You could just wear ear muffs and mostly solve the noisy office problem. I wear them when I'm not listening to music and have improved my productivity and happiness at work. (And this is at a cubicle office which is still quite noisy.) http://www.3m.com/3M/en_US/company-us/all-3m-products/~/3M-P...

You also have visual distractions in an open office. I've just had at least a dozen people walk past my line of sight in the last minute and and it's distracting as hell for me.

2x 35" screens for everyone!
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