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Re: The closest I've ever come to falling for a Gmail phishing attack

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how about use 3-step auth? 1. you input your username google send back an msg/pic which you saved in google at last login confirm then goes to step 2 2. you input password 3. google ask you input auth code

They already do this: On a known computer (logged in at least once) your Google+ photo and name is shown.

see: https://i.imgur.com/96uZRPC.png

Re: The closest I've ever come to falling for a Gmail phishing attack

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post #71

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I was think more of a specific mail scanning process for images that look exactly like UI elements, with some fuzzy match. If it matches, flag it with the usual warnings. It feels like there's at least the potential to explore options.

Why don't just put a little frame around embedded elements like pictures, etc? Maybe with a little icon indicating the type.

That would break more legitimate HTML e-mails than the phishing it's aiming to catch. You might argue that it's worth the breakage but that would be a harder argument to sell to businesses.

Pragmatically I think Browsers disabling the rendering of data:text/html is a better approach. The breakage is minimal and it would catch more phishing attacks than just ones that originated from emails with images embedded.

Re: The closest I've ever come to falling for a Gmail phishing attack

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post #139

There is also a password alert chrome plugin by google [0]. If you ever enter your google password on any domain other than accounts.google.com. It will immediately alert you and give you a link to change your password. It can handle multiple passwords too if you have multiple google accounts. [0] https://chrome.google.com/webstore/detail/password-alert/noo...

It sounds like the attackers got in almost instantly -- presumably they logged in via script, not a human. Changing your password at that point would probably be like closing the stable door after the horse has bolted.

Still useful, I guess, because it lets you know immediately what's up, so you can send out emergency emails to your contacts.

Re: The closest I've ever come to falling for a Gmail phishing attack

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I reported this a back in March 2016, and Google said it was not an issue. Analysed whole attack here: https://gist.github.com/timruffles/5c76d2b61c88188e77f6 This was the response I got: > The address bar remains one of the few trusted UI components of the browsers and is the only one that can be relied upon as to what origin are the users currently visiting. If the users pay no attention to the address bar, phishin…

A minor change that would help (a little) is to replace all spaces in the address bar with %20.

Re: The closest I've ever come to falling for a Gmail phishing attack

#145
Correct me if I'm wrong, but that embedded image (pretending to be an attachment) redirects you to a (fake) Gmail login page. How is that supposed to trick anyone? I mean, isn't it unusual (i.e. never happens) for attachments to take you to a Gmail login page? So that's suspicious behaviour right there. How is it a serious phishing attack that's getting so much attention on a platform like HN where people are used to much more sophisticated hacks? Unless you're implying that visiting that website (fake login page) itself could harm the user's device, is there some detail that I'm missing here?

Re: The closest I've ever come to falling for a Gmail phishing attack

#146
That is very well done. I only see people suggesting 2-factor auth as a remedy, but I guess any password manager would work as well. You wouldn't even get to the point of compromising your password.

I use 1password, which will only fill in the password associated with the current domain.

Re: The closest I've ever come to falling for a Gmail phishing attack

#147

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Why is data:text/html even valid or rendered to the page in the first place? I'm having trouble coming up with a valid usecase for this

It's just not treated as an exception. Works for all MIME types supported by the browser.

Why not just alert the user if the address bar contain something weird like this...

And also, why not do something like this even. Let the browser save screen shots of some user selected sites. Like mail login page, online banking login page etc etc and have them map to a trusted url.

After loading a page, browser should screenshot the page and use some ML magic to compare it to the stored screenshots (I mean, there are things today that can call out the names of the things in an image and even what tell they are doing, right?). When one of them matches and If the url of the current page differs from the trusted url, the user should be alerted..Something like "Hey user, this page suspiciously looks like this page that we stored, but the url is completely different. Are you sure about this?"

Re: The closest I've ever come to falling for a Gmail phishing attack

#148

Correct me if I'm wrong, but that embedded image (pretending to be an attachment) redirects you to a (fake) Gmail login page. How is that supposed to trick anyone? I mean, isn't it unusual (i.e. never happens) for attachments to take you to a Gmail login page? So that's suspicious behaviour right there. How is it a serious phishing attack that's getting so much attention on a platform like HN where people are used to…

An attachment could take you to a login page if your Google account was logged out after you loaded Gmail. I've actually had this happen when I suspended my laptop (with a gmail tab open), got on a plane, and opened it again when I got off. When I tried to do something in Gmail again I was logged out (and when I logged in again I got the email from Google "Was this you?")

Re: The closest I've ever come to falling for a Gmail phishing attack

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post #104

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This is definitely true of TOTP but U2F was designed to prevent phishing attacks by incorporating the hostname in the protocol[1], which means the attacker needs to successfully compromise SSL as well. 1. https://security.stackexchange.com/questions/71316/how-secur...

Very clever, thanks for sharing. However I wouldn't want my second-factor to be attached to my browser. Seems way too volatile for me. Personally I'd rather keep TOTP and be vulnerable to time-of-use phishing. Maybe if the browser had an OS API that a YubiKey could query...

It's actually the other way round, the YubiKey (or other U2F token) has an API the browser queries, generally triggering the token requesting some sort of physical interaction.

Re: The closest I've ever come to falling for a Gmail phishing attack

#150

This is a lesser-known benefit of password managers that autofill (or at least auto-look-up) passwords in web pages. I might fail to notice a wonky address bar, but 1Password will notice.

1Password is great, but it solves a problem that we should get rid of.

It converts the n-websites-n-passwords situation into one where passwords become random tokens unlocked by a single client-side secret.

We need to make U2F more widespread.

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