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Dart in 2016: Fastest growing language at Google, 2nd fastest in TIOBE

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Re: Dart in 2016: Fastest growing language at Google, 2nd fastest in TIOBE

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Post by mraleph »

pjmlp wrote: post #84
ceronman wrote: post #21

You don't always have to jump to the hype train! Yes, you don't hear much about Dart here on HN, but the project is far from dead. The most important thing is that Dart works, it's stable and production ready and it's being used in production not only by Google but also by other companies. Dart is a very refreshing change for front-end development. No fatigue! Great tooling, nice language without surprises and option…

For me the project died when Google decided it wasn't worth it to support it any longer in Chrome and Angular team decided to use TypeScript instead. Regarding Flutter, I watched the conference where it was presented and none of the devices I own was able to launch the application. https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=io.flutter.gal... Unless Google does actually use the language to the point a few well know…

> Regarding Flutter [...] none of the devices I own was able to launch the application.

Is it still the case that none of your devices are able to launch Flutter Galler App? In an unfortunate coincidence the build that was published to Play Store right before the Dart Summit was flawed and declared that it is incompatible with most of the devices except for latest generation ones. This was rapidly fixed - but fixed build did not get into the Play Store on time.

Re: Dart in 2016: Fastest growing language at Google, 2nd fastest in TIOBE

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Post by greenspot »

Don't want to be the jerk here. The problem with languages is that it's not enough to be just great, feature-rich or thought-trough. At some point they must create their own ecosystem, the bigger the better. The more open, the better.

I see other languages which could create bigger ecosystems in less time and as a result attract more influential contributors than Dart did.

Just based on its specs, Dart is a wonderful language but again, this is just one part of the story.

Re: Dart in 2016: Fastest growing language at Google, 2nd fastest in TIOBE

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Post by gcp »

markdog12 wrote: post #56

Dev lead here for a tiny startup. I selected Dart for front and back end, sharing code between them. It has been a great experience and I don't have many complaints. One of the designer's goals was familiarity. I believe they definitely nailed that goal. We've had experienced devs contributing to the codebase in 3 days without ever seeing a line of Dart code before. And they absolutely love working with Dart. Here's…

How many of these aren't available in ES2015 or TypeScript?

Re: Dart in 2016: Fastest growing language at Google, 2nd fastest in TIOBE

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Post by pritambarhate »

pjmlp wrote: post #84
ceronman wrote: post #21

You don't always have to jump to the hype train! Yes, you don't hear much about Dart here on HN, but the project is far from dead. The most important thing is that Dart works, it's stable and production ready and it's being used in production not only by Google but also by other companies. Dart is a very refreshing change for front-end development. No fatigue! Great tooling, nice language without surprises and option…

For me the project died when Google decided it wasn't worth it to support it any longer in Chrome and Angular team decided to use TypeScript instead. Regarding Flutter, I watched the conference where it was presented and none of the devices I own was able to launch the application. https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=io.flutter.gal... Unless Google does actually use the language to the point a few well know…

> For me the project died when Google decided it wasn't worth it to support it any longer in Chrome and Angular team decided to use TypeScript instead.

For me too. I have spent 3-4 hours looking through the samples etc. But even with TypeScript being so popular, it's hard to find quick samples for tasks one wants to do. So investing in one more new language didn't seem that attractive.

Re: Dart in 2016: Fastest growing language at Google, 2nd fastest in TIOBE

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Post by dom96 »

flukus wrote: post #86
attractivechaos wrote: post #57

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Thanks for the retrospect. I always think Dart has lots of potentials. It could be a great general-purpose programming language, as versatile as perl/python/ruby while tens of times faster than them all. Unfortunately, the dart developers are too obsessed about web programming and reluctant to embrace the bigger world. It is really a pity. PS: when dart came out, javascript was already blazingly fast (as a dynamic la…

Seems like nim and crystal would fill that void better, maybe even rust.

Yes, especially considering that Nim can compile to JS too. It truly is general purpose in that regard.

Re: Dart in 2016: Fastest growing language at Google, 2nd fastest in TIOBE

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Post by devsquid »

pjmlp wrote: post #84
ceronman wrote: post #21

You don't always have to jump to the hype train! Yes, you don't hear much about Dart here on HN, but the project is far from dead. The most important thing is that Dart works, it's stable and production ready and it's being used in production not only by Google but also by other companies. Dart is a very refreshing change for front-end development. No fatigue! Great tooling, nice language without surprises and option…

For me the project died when Google decided it wasn't worth it to support it any longer in Chrome and Angular team decided to use TypeScript instead. Regarding Flutter, I watched the conference where it was presented and none of the devices I own was able to launch the application. https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=io.flutter.gal... Unless Google does actually use the language to the point a few well know…

I feel your sentiment. But I always thought getting browsers to adopt Dart was a crazy and impossible idea. I was actually glad when I heard they had abandoned that plan.

Flutter confuses me. Its annoying you have to use their DSL for layouts rather than HTML and what about native widgets, like WebViews or VideoPlayers?

With them drastically speeding up the Dart2JS compiler and implementing a strong typed mode, I am quite pleased with Dart's direction.

I do still fear for its future. It would be really to sad to see Dart die. The last web app I made, I was able to make the entire thing in under 90kbs, including HTML, CSS, SVGs, and JS. Dart allows me to write desktop like applications for the web with any extra overhead.

Re: Dart in 2016: Fastest growing language at Google, 2nd fastest in TIOBE

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Post by VeejayRampay »

nostrademons wrote: post #69
morecoffee wrote: post #68

Earlier quoted context omitted.

How long will it be before Google's Angular becomes popular, and the company decides it isn't economical to have two javascript-ish languages? My money is on Typescript.

Google has rarely shied away from having 2 (or 5, or 12) of anything: Angular vs. Polymer. GWT vs. Angular vs. Closure vs. Polymer. YouTube vs. Google Video (the latter was still a thing up through 2011, 5 years after the YouTube acquisition). ChromeOS vs. Android. Google Toolbar vs. Chrome Frame. Chrome vs. Android Browser. GTalk vs. Messenger vs. Hangouts vs. Allo vs. Duo

Google Toolbar and Google Frame are different projects with different purposes.

Same for Angular / Polymer. It seems you added them to your list just so that it would be longer.

Re: Dart in 2016: Fastest growing language at Google, 2nd fastest in TIOBE

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Post by porker »

flukus wrote: post #86
attractivechaos wrote: post #57

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Thanks for the retrospect. I always think Dart has lots of potentials. It could be a great general-purpose programming language, as versatile as perl/python/ruby while tens of times faster than them all. Unfortunately, the dart developers are too obsessed about web programming and reluctant to embrace the bigger world. It is really a pity. PS: when dart came out, javascript was already blazingly fast (as a dynamic la…

Seems like nim and crystal would fill that void better, maybe even rust.

> Seems like nim and crystal would fill that void better

Having seen a talk on Nim at the Bris.tech conference [1], I can't think of any void it would fill better than an alternative. My takeaway was it was a very flexible but poorly designed language with too many ways to do anything.

1. Video coming soon; keep an eye on https://www.youtube.com/user/bristechmeetup/videos

Re: Dart in 2016: Fastest growing language at Google, 2nd fastest in TIOBE

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Post by bostand »

nostrademons wrote: post #69
morecoffee wrote: post #68

Earlier quoted context omitted.

How long will it be before Google's Angular becomes popular, and the company decides it isn't economical to have two javascript-ish languages? My money is on Typescript.

Google has rarely shied away from having 2 (or 5, or 12) of anything: Angular vs. Polymer. GWT vs. Angular vs. Closure vs. Polymer. YouTube vs. Google Video (the latter was still a thing up through 2011, 5 years after the YouTube acquisition). ChromeOS vs. Android. Google Toolbar vs. Chrome Frame. Chrome vs. Android Browser. GTalk vs. Messenger vs. Hangouts vs. Allo vs. Duo

But a lot of those alternatives you counted have been or are about to shut down
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