How is fastest growing defined?
By percentage? That is easy for niche languages with small markets. By lines of code? That is impressive.
Dart in 2016: Fastest growing language at Google, 2nd fastest in TIOBE
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Re: Dart in 2016: Fastest growing language at Google, 2nd fastest in TIOBE
#62Dart is also the 41st largest language on GitHub, growing slower than the average. http://githut.info/
What are the lines in that chart meant to be? At first glance it looks like it should be a time series.
Re: Dart in 2016: Fastest growing language at Google, 2nd fastest in TIOBE
#63You don't always have to jump to the hype train! Yes, you don't hear much about Dart here on HN, but the project is far from dead. The most important thing is that Dart works, it's stable and production ready and it's being used in production not only by Google but also by other companies. Dart is a very refreshing change for front-end development. No fatigue! Great tooling, nice language without surprises and option…
As noted in http://www.tiobe.com/tiobe-index/ the changes in google's indexing algorithms caused massive swings in their index. If you search google for "Java programming" and "C programming" you'll note approximately the same ratio of the "Java ratings" to "C ratings".
The results of the toibe index are heavily influenced by google's search.
People working on Dart working at google would likely be familiar with how to create a page that has improved google visibility compared to say... the R or objective C communities. This isn't a "ohh, nefarious!" type thing but rather a "how to make a web page that conforms to everything that google search would want" is part of the way one would think.
It is possible to game tiobe given that its strongly influenced by google's search results. If you go glance at delphi's history in 2008, you'll see gamification of it - http://web.archive.org/web/20120312021442/http://delphi.org/... http://web.archive.org/web/20120312021416/http://delphi.org/... http://web.archive.org/web/20120312021435/http://delphi.org/... - and then you go look at the graph for delphi, and you'll see http://www.tiobe.com/tiobe-index/delphi-object-pascal/ .
Simply having well crafted pages that get indexed well for Dart would be sufficient to bump a language on Tiobe. And that's why its all a load of marketing.
Re: Dart in 2016: Fastest growing language at Google, 2nd fastest in TIOBE
#64Dev lead here for a tiny startup. I selected Dart for front and back end, sharing code between them. It has been a great experience and I don't have many complaints. One of the designer's goals was familiarity. I believe they definitely nailed that goal. We've had experienced devs contributing to the codebase in 3 days without ever seeing a line of Dart code before. And they absolutely love working with Dart. Here's…
I've never even considered Dart. If I'm going to choose a foreign (to me) stack, I'd prefer it was in a functional language. I'm curious to hear a few things from your experience: how fast/slow are the builds? What cons do you have now that you've been using it a while?
Re: Dart in 2016: Fastest growing language at Google, 2nd fastest in TIOBE
#65Looking at HN's Who is hiring job posts there is zero interest in it. Typescript , Elm on the other hand are going up.
http://www.ryan-williams.net/hacker-news-hiring-trends/2017/...
Yeah, you can say HN is startup echo chamber etc.. Well StackOverflow's job board has more mature companies and again zero interest in Dart. Here is the latest scraped data. https://github.com/aparij/soCareers-Data/blob/master/result/...
Re: Dart in 2016: Fastest growing language at Google, 2nd fastest in TIOBE
#66Indeed.com has 0 Dart jobs by title and TIOBE is a joke. Given that Google uses about 4 languages routinely (Go, Java, Python & Dart) this is nothing more than internal back-patting with no relevance outside the Googleplex.
Pascal is still top 20 on TIOBE and growing in popularity ... ok.
Re: Dart in 2016: Fastest growing language at Google, 2nd fastest in TIOBE
#67If you join my religion, it will be the fastest growing with at least 100% per day!
Re: Dart in 2016: Fastest growing language at Google, 2nd fastest in TIOBE
#68And yet, I very very rarely hear anyone talking about it? I assume it's pushed heavily internally at Google, but anecdotally it seems nigh-unused outside of Google. Am I totally off?
It's a really weird story. stupidcar's post basically describes the early history. It was always kind of an ugly stepchild with the Chrome management when I was at Google - had some incredibly talented engineers working on it, but little executive buy-in. But then sometime while Chrome was ignoring it, some ads engineers (who are also incredibly talented) decided that Dart would be a core language in their new ads pl…
How long will it be before Google's Angular becomes popular, and the company decides it isn't economical to have two javascript-ish languages? My money is on Typescript.
Re: Dart in 2016: Fastest growing language at Google, 2nd fastest in TIOBE
#69Earlier quoted context omitted.
It's a really weird story. stupidcar's post basically describes the early history. It was always kind of an ugly stepchild with the Chrome management when I was at Google - had some incredibly talented engineers working on it, but little executive buy-in. But then sometime while Chrome was ignoring it, some ads engineers (who are also incredibly talented) decided that Dart would be a core language in their new ads pl…
How long will it be before Google's Angular becomes popular, and the company decides it isn't economical to have two javascript-ish languages? My money is on Typescript.
Google has rarely shied away from having 2 (or 5, or 12) of anything:
Angular vs. Polymer.
GWT vs. Angular vs. Closure vs. Polymer.
YouTube vs. Google Video (the latter was still a thing up through 2011, 5 years after the YouTube acquisition).
ChromeOS vs. Android.
Google Toolbar vs. Chrome Frame.
Chrome vs. Android Browser.
GTalk vs. Messenger vs. Hangouts vs. Allo vs. Duo
Re: Dart in 2016: Fastest growing language at Google, 2nd fastest in TIOBE
#70Earlier quoted context omitted.
It's a really weird story. stupidcar's post basically describes the early history. It was always kind of an ugly stepchild with the Chrome management when I was at Google - had some incredibly talented engineers working on it, but little executive buy-in. But then sometime while Chrome was ignoring it, some ads engineers (who are also incredibly talented) decided that Dart would be a core language in their new ads pl…
How long will it be before Google's Angular becomes popular, and the company decides it isn't economical to have two javascript-ish languages? My money is on Typescript.
Actually aforementioned ads frontend that uses Dart is also using Angular.