Indeed.com has 0 Dart jobs by title and TIOBE is a joke. Given that Google uses about 4 languages routinely (Go, Java, Python & Dart) this is nothing more than internal back-patting with no relevance outside the Googleplex.
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Dart in 2016: Fastest growing language at Google, 2nd fastest in TIOBE
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Re: Dart in 2016: Fastest growing language at Google, 2nd fastest in TIOBE
#12And yet, I very very rarely hear anyone talking about it? I assume it's pushed heavily internally at Google, but anecdotally it seems nigh-unused outside of Google. Am I totally off?
Yeah, this is my impression too. This is the first mention of it I think I've heard in the last year, and I'm in the web development scene. Meanwhile I seemingly can't get away from rust mentions, which seems to have people really excited.
Apparently there is at least one reddit moderator that doesn't like Dart and actively bans users when they try to post legitimate articles in webdev forums:
https://plus.google.com/+MontyRasmussen/posts/UWyjF5S14Uo
I'm not saying that this is general to moderators, but some people try to deny it exists or is relevant (probably because they have invested in other toolchains), and if your filter-bubble is controlled by them, you will miss out.
Re: Dart in 2016: Fastest growing language at Google, 2nd fastest in TIOBE
#13It doesn't show how much Rust inproved in usage compared to last year.
Why the downvote? Rust is on 41th place on the linked TIOBE index and I would expect it to be growing faster than Dart from the HN articles that were popular last year. Dart was compared to last year on the index, but Rust wasn't, so I don't think saying that Dart was the second fastest growing language is fair.
It did say that, "Rust kept its top 50 position (from 47 to 41)."
But also, Rust and Dart are very different languages, so bringing Rust up here feels very offtopic.
Re: Dart in 2016: Fastest growing language at Google, 2nd fastest in TIOBE
#14And yet, I very very rarely hear anyone talking about it? I assume it's pushed heavily internally at Google, but anecdotally it seems nigh-unused outside of Google. Am I totally off?
In Hungary I know about a few teams that are developing in Dart both server- and client side. Mostly under-the-radar because of the nature of their products, but still, choosing Dart over TS, Go, whatever your hype is...
(If locals are listening in: we are planning to organize a meetup in Budapest, contact me if interested.)
Re: Dart in 2016: Fastest growing language at Google, 2nd fastest in TIOBE
#15And yet, I very very rarely hear anyone talking about it? I assume it's pushed heavily internally at Google, but anecdotally it seems nigh-unused outside of Google. Am I totally off?
Maybe not. OTOH, if it continues to grow at Google, that can power development for quite a while and provide plenty of opportunity to hit the key use case that drives outside adoption (e.g., the equivalent of Rails for Ruby.) With web front-end (compile-to-JS), server (DartVM), and early-stage mobile (Flutter) stacks, there's a lot of places that key win could come.
Re: Dart in 2016: Fastest growing language at Google, 2nd fastest in TIOBE
#16If somebody has an interest on what's new with Dart, I'd suggest to peek into the Dart Developer Summit 2016 videos. Previous HN link and discussion here: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=12838749
TL;DR: great developer tooling, hyper-focus on web and mobile.
Re: Dart in 2016: Fastest growing language at Google, 2nd fastest in TIOBE
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Re: Dart in 2016: Fastest growing language at Google, 2nd fastest in TIOBE
#18Earlier quoted context omitted.
Why the downvote? Rust is on 41th place on the linked TIOBE index and I would expect it to be growing faster than Dart from the HN articles that were popular last year. Dart was compared to last year on the index, but Rust wasn't, so I don't think saying that Dart was the second fastest growing language is fair.
It did say that, "Rust kept its top 50 position (from 47 to 41)." But also, Rust and Dart are very different languages, so bringing Rust up here feels very offtopic.
Thanks, I didn't see it..I thought it's interesting because every few days there's a new library ported to Rust shown on HN, which gave the impression to me that it's the fastest growing language.
Re: Dart in 2016: Fastest growing language at Google, 2nd fastest in TIOBE
#19Indeed.com has 0 Dart jobs by title and TIOBE is a joke. Given that Google uses about 4 languages routinely (Go, Java, Python & Dart) this is nothing more than internal back-patting with no relevance outside the Googleplex.
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ObjC (probably a little Swift just to test if its ready yet), C, and probably tons more like most huge tech companies :P
Re: Dart in 2016: Fastest growing language at Google, 2nd fastest in TIOBE
#20Earlier quoted context omitted.
It did say that, "Rust kept its top 50 position (from 47 to 41)." But also, Rust and Dart are very different languages, so bringing Rust up here feels very offtopic.
Thanks, I didn't see it..I thought it's interesting because every few days there's a new library ported to Rust shown on HN, which gave the impression to me that it's the fastest growing language.
Well, TIOBE's rankings only prove what TIOBE's rankings say. You should examine their methodology and take it for whatever you think it's worth. It does a very specific kind of thing.