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Mac’s share falls to five-year low

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Re: Mac’s share falls to five-year low

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This overall slowdown could be the reason why Apple made a gimmick for newcomers, i.e. the touch bar. They needed to try to boost sales.

They don't think like that. "Let's make a gimmick for newcomers". They just legitimately thought it was great and will it enough to impress people and shut them up about the late revamp of the MBP line. And it could be good, with certain provisions, but not will all the other BS coming with it. The main issue is it seems nobody at the top could see this -- and I mean see this when they said ok initially, because sure…

> They just legitimately thought it was great

No, they seem to have actual UX professionals working for them, so obviously they understood pretty well who's experience they are hurting and for what reasons. This time it looks like the reasons came from marketing and this is nothing new, it often happens this way.

I encourage people unfamiliar with UX design to listen to Andrew Price's podcast with Duncan Macneil or his talk after that about Blender redesign, where he explained many things he got wrong in his first redesign idea and why.

Re: Mac’s share falls to five-year low

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I think Microsoft forgot about developers for a while. The Windows 8 timeframe wasn't a great time to be a Microsoft developer. They have been recovering mindshare lately, but it's the same back and forth. It's less clear that developer mindshare even matters as much these days when the web is the real desktop platform for most software.

Depends on the developers you talk to. As someone whose Windows dev experience goes back to Windows 3.0, I was thrilled with WinRT, having Visual C++ finally catching up with C++ Builder and .NET finally going properly native as it should have been since .NET 1.0.

Yeah, but they also started a number of projects only to kill them later (eg Silverlight). This was very annoying for developers who had invested a lot of time.

Hopefully things will be more stable now.

Re: Mac’s share falls to five-year low

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I was going to make a similar comment. I tried for the third time last year, and the truth is that if you're switching to Linux because the Mac is too expensive, if you take into account all the hours you waste because of bugs or half-backed apps, Linux is 10 times more expensive. I use Linux for servers and I would never even consider using anything else. On the desktop? No way. It's just not ready, if you value you…

As someone who uses Linux at work without any issues whatsoever I have to ask: What are these crazy Linux bugs people are talking about? And why does it always happen to macbook users?

My machine wouldn't boot anymore because I followed apt's suggestion to run apt-get autoremove.

There are many packages and apps out there that get released but are far from stable, and no easy way for non-devs (as in Linux devs) to opt out of unstable software.

I'm not your average MacBook user, either. I use Linux on the server on a daily basis.

If I waste 2 hours because of something like this--which doesn't involve experimenting with config files or deleting random files, but just doing regular maintainance--it's a big deal for me and my clients.

Re: Mac’s share falls to five-year low

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They don't think like that. "Let's make a gimmick for newcomers". They just legitimately thought it was great and will it enough to impress people and shut them up about the late revamp of the MBP line. And it could be good, with certain provisions, but not will all the other BS coming with it. The main issue is it seems nobody at the top could see this -- and I mean see this when they said ok initially, because sure…

If the touchbar is so amazing, why didn't Apple have the courage to just replace the entire keyboard with one big OLED display? You can easily see how the touchbar comes across as being gimmicky. Lenovo already ditched their touch bar on the X1 Carbon (2nd generation) because it was a terrible idea. Buttons are useful, particularly for people who touch type.

Funny enough, Lenovo Yoga Book is just that:

http://arstechnica.co.uk/gadgets/2016/12/lenovo-yoga-book-re...

Re: Mac’s share falls to five-year low

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This is an odd sentiment to hear on HN. We are usually technical people, surely we can see past "spec" as the only differentiator of two laptops. Apple are priced like a high-end business quality laptop. (except upgrades are a higher mark-up) if you compare laptops based on the quality of their build Apple laptops are quite competitive.[0] That's before you factor in little things that don't seem to make it to busine…

You may compare apples to oranges because the CPU and other components may be slightly different(usually they are older and cheaper on the mac). It's a known fact that Apple has the highest(by far) margins on laptops. Apple used to be priced and marketed as a high-end business quality laptop but now I feel it's marked more as a lifestyle product.

the CPU is on display for the precision 5510 in the screenshot.

That's the same CPU used in the high end 15" macbook pro. I'm failing to see how what you said holds true when the original price of the Dell is $1,000 higher than the Macbook. (with a smaller m.2 SSD, even.)

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As someone who uses Linux at work without any issues whatsoever I have to ask: What are these crazy Linux bugs people are talking about? And why does it always happen to macbook users?

My machine wouldn't boot anymore because I followed apt's suggestion to run apt-get autoremove. There are many packages and apps out there that get released but are far from stable, and no easy way for non-devs (as in Linux devs) to opt out of unstable software. I'm not your average MacBook user, either. I use Linux on the server on a daily basis. If I waste 2 hours because of something like this--which doesn't invol…

autoremove removes packages that are no longer used and should not affect anything.

However, if you have messed with your system (eg manually copied some software or edited a configuration you should not have touched) then autoremove may remove things the system now needs to boot.

How do I know this? Because I once did exactly that (to be fair, apt-get told me this could happen and asked for a second confirmation)

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> the Mac ecosystem is now ingrained into open source development. Interesting... > Anyone who suggests doing this either hasn't done it before or has way too much time on their hands. Oh... Quick question, when was the last time you did it? Currently I have three full time Linux boxes: * Custom PC build I did myself * System76 Galago UltraPro * Dell XPS 13 Developer Edition Oddly enough, the one that gave me the mos…

The second you compile one package to get any of those boxes to work, for me, the pro-linux box argument is negated. Particularly for work machines, I don't have time to compile and install just to get my box up and running. Mac worked for me for this reason, I presume the reasons are the same for many. You like the freedom and power your boxes allot you, I like the simple operation of the mac. My problem is Macs are…

I have spent more time dealing with compiling from the source and handling weird package interactions on osx than on any linux system I've used recently. At least the Linux system will come with a standard package manager that supports major developer tools.

Re: Mac’s share falls to five-year low

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My machine wouldn't boot anymore because I followed apt's suggestion to run apt-get autoremove. There are many packages and apps out there that get released but are far from stable, and no easy way for non-devs (as in Linux devs) to opt out of unstable software. I'm not your average MacBook user, either. I use Linux on the server on a daily basis. If I waste 2 hours because of something like this--which doesn't invol…

autoremove removes packages that are no longer used and should not affect anything. However, if you have messed with your system (eg manually copied some software or edited a configuration you should not have touched) then autoremove may remove things the system now needs to boot. How do I know this? Because I once did exactly that (to be fair, apt-get told me this could happen and asked for a second confirmation)

I know what it should do, and I use it regularly.

That one time, it triggered or caused Xenial to stop working correctly.

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I guess I implied it in my comment, but I'll explicitly say it here: > I did not search for, manually install, or otherwise fiddle with drivers for any of my current 3 personal machines. I have done so many times in the past, but not for these three[1]. This is particularly true for the System76 which not only had drivers pre-installed and the repository configured, but also had no issues out of the box...or ever in…

My machine wouldn't boot anymore because I followed apt's suggestion to run apt-get autoremove. There are many packages and apps out there that get released but are far from stable, and no easy way for non-devs (as in Linux devs) to opt out of unstable software. I don't charge a crazy amount of money, but 2 hours are a long time to waste for a developer, and I've wasted many times that with Xenial. That, while being…

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Re: Mac’s share falls to five-year low

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This overall slowdown could be the reason why Apple made a gimmick for newcomers, i.e. the touch bar. They needed to try to boost sales.

They don't think like that. "Let's make a gimmick for newcomers". They just legitimately thought it was great and will it enough to impress people and shut them up about the late revamp of the MBP line. And it could be good, with certain provisions, but not will all the other BS coming with it. The main issue is it seems nobody at the top could see this -- and I mean see this when they said ok initially, because sure…

I've personally experienced working on the inside of a "culture of secrecy" in political organizations, in business and as everyone in personal groups / family.

My personal opinion is that this model does not work by default, it's not a modus operandi that is conducive to 'progress' (whatever the metric, be it innovation, profit, or even just the will to do things adequately).

I'm pretty sure there are other key points but my observation is that you need a strong leader, usually at the origin of that culture, who's able to mesh all subgroups together at a high-level (since they don't work together on a normal basis). What you observe is that leader's dream team (trusted advisors and insiders to the 'secret') taking various roles at various places in the structure to glue it all and maintain the secret while furthering core goals.

You also want a non-negociable acceptance of the culture by the people working there, meaning that you just can't tolerate any internal politics/wars and everyone has to flock in line. It's only ever possible to jail teams like that if there's trust in management (because eventually this is your career...) and nobody questions the 'why' or 'how'. You just do your job as best you can and forget about your high-level vision: big boss will decide (pray he thinks better than thousands of field engineers, few men on earth should be trusted with such decision power). Often people won't even know why X or Y got fired. It's part of the fear necessary to such a culture. Divergence is like random cancer in a culture of secrecy because nobody knows the big picture.

I'm more and more of the opinion that the kind of Apple built by Steve Jobs was 100% in line with his own way of managing (culture of secrecy, dividing or even gut open too-powerful groups to maintain his absolute might/vision, etc.) If you look at Apple's execs they're great soldiers, but not much of campaign-waging generals in and out of themselves (more beta than alpha, so to speak, perfect for a Jobs but maybe not a Cook). And I think it's painfully obvious, from the outside at least, that Cook just isn't the man to rule this Apple: he either must change it or give the reigns to someone more like Jobs (clearly only the former is a realistic goal, even for the next CEO and the ones after that).

Obviously this is all speculation and I might be wrong, but there are so many blatant red signs that I have little doubt that there's this culture/management fit problem within Apple.

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