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Yahoo SEC Filing: Name change to Altaba Inc and director resignations

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Re: Yahoo SEC Filing: Name change to Altaba Inc and director resignations

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You can use the word cunt. What you can't do is call other people cunts. EDIT: >somewhat indirectly No, he directly called her a cunt. > and I'm hesitant to use it myself for fear of being banned). Literally no-one on HN has ever been banned for using the word cunt. It's only a problem if you call other people cunts. Here's the relevant mod post: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=10016665#10019003

I didn't downvote you but I think you see the issue with your statement yourself. HN does not censor words. While name calling is completely childish it is most certainly tolerated by other users on HN (Do a search for "is a [insert derogatory word]" site:news.ycombinator.com. Steve Jobs is called an asshole in every HN thread. For sure ochurch stepped on toes here but one thing he was passionate about is improving t…

He was also repeatedly asked to tone it down.

Re: Yahoo SEC Filing: Name change to Altaba Inc and director resignations

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The problem is that Yahoo was never a media company, either. They never had a lot of success in media, at least not past their early properties like Finance and Autos. They failed to do anything meaningful with video, or mobile, or flickr, or much of anything past their early success. Yahoo tried to be a media company for years. They called themselves "the premier media company". They had two different CEOs pulled fr…

how is Yahoo News not considered successful? Sure its a lot of AP aggregation, but most importantly, people were clicking it.

"They never had a lot of success in media, at least not past their early properties like Finance and Autos."

News was launched in 1996, roughly a year after Yahoo became Yahoo and only four months after the IPO. News is most definitely an early success.

Yahoo's problem (or one of them) is that they've failed to have any significant new successes in well over a decade (that I can recall at least). The best they've done is maintain their early wins, but those have been eroded, as they completely lost search and mail to Google, much of the news/finance/autos/sports traffic to dozens of competitors, etc.

Re: Yahoo SEC Filing: Name change to Altaba Inc and director resignations

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Rather than the inevitable bashing of Marissa that will undoubtedly unfurl on this thread, I'd like to put in a little reminder that we usually celebrate taking on big projects and big risks and that we should commend her for taking on the immense challenge of steadying the Yahoo ship. Yes, she wasn't able to keep the ship from sinking. But I do think she put in a good-faith effort.

I think there is absolutely no indication that anybody, other than Jesus Christ himself descending from the skies mounted on a Harley Davidson in flames, could have saved Yahoo. So, bashing Marissa here would be really, really pointless and sad.

Marissa herself is really, really pointless and sad.

you're all idiots.

Re: Yahoo SEC Filing: Name change to Altaba Inc and director resignations

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I think there is absolutely no indication that anybody, other than Jesus Christ himself descending from the skies mounted on a Harley Davidson in flames, could have saved Yahoo. So, bashing Marissa here would be really, really pointless and sad.

> absolutely no indication that anybody, other than Jesus Christ himself descending from the skies mounted on a Harley Davidson in flames, could have saved Yahoo. I mean, Yahoo has essentially failed so there is no way to validate your or my claims, but I disagree very much with this. If Yahoo had focused on its core strengths versus its flipping and flopping between becoming a media company or not, I think it could…

> focused on its core strengths

What are Yahoo's core strengths? Near as I can tell, its core strength is possession of heaps of Alibaba stock. What core pieces of Yahoo, aside from its Alibaba and Yahoo Japan stock, could be focused on in a way that would make it meaningful as a multi-billion dollar company?

Re: Yahoo SEC Filing: Name change to Altaba Inc and director resignations

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If that's really the case then Silicon Valley salaries have gone through the floor recently. That would be considered an insulting salary for a developer in London, in GBP.

If you search for web designer jobs in the UK on Indeed, most jobs are in the £25k to £30k range, with a slightly smaller selection between £30k and £35k. London may be in a class of its own, but elsewhere in the UK £35k is considered decent money. https://www.indeed.co.uk/jobs?q=Web+Design&l=

Don't disagree about £35k being decent in the UK - easy to take for granted how well paid the tech industry is.

That said, a "Web designer" role and a "Developer" role are two completely different things. £35k is about right for a decent web designer salary; but for a developer, that's more of junior to mid-level role, even outside of London.

Compare http://www.itjobswatch.co.uk/default.aspx?q=developer&l=&id=... and http://www.itjobswatch.co.uk/default.aspx?q=web+designer&l=&...

Re: Yahoo SEC Filing: Name change to Altaba Inc and director resignations

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"Jack of all trades, master of none" is probably not a good way to increase share holder value.

Full quote: "...but often times better than a master of one"

That's a modern addition.

Re: Yahoo SEC Filing: Name change to Altaba Inc and director resignations

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Sure, in the form of stock, incentive bonuses, etc. Not the entire salary

Why not the entire salary? If you're already worth $100m, you're working for fun and prestige not because you need cash to pay your rent. All the famous rich ceos have tiny salaries and make their money on capital gains. It's more tax efficient to boot!

You're worth $100m and are running in a crowd of high achievers worth a lot more, suddenly it doesn't feel like very much even when all of your basic needs are more than met.

The human condition is such that we want what we don't have and we can never have enough.

Re: Yahoo SEC Filing: Name change to Altaba Inc and director resignations

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She was expected to leave entirely. This is not a surprise.

Source? She has said repeatedly she will be with the unit that is going to Verizon, and I didn't see anything different yet.

Ah yes, you appear to be correct. As of now she's going to Verizon with the sale. Personally I can't imagine her lasting very long there but I suppose you never know.

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> I'm wondering why people focus on financial compensation so much? Why does how much someone was paid justify more or less bashing, as the case might be? To me it's because she wasn't taking a risk, she was getting paid massive amounts regardless of what she did. Why celebrate someone who enriched herself as the company imploded and had to lay off thousands of people? There are so many other people worth accolades.

She never has to work a day in her life after disrupting the lives of thousands of her employees while failing to accomplish any of her objectives. She had all risk removed when they hired her.

Are you so confident in knowing what her objectives were that you can make that statement? For all we know the board wanted to maximize value on the way down.

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Wouldn't it be unethical to take on a job you were certain you'd fail at? (If you disclosed that, and they hired you anyway, then there's no ethical problem.)

"Fairly certain", though. If her odds of saving Yahoo were twice as good as an alternative CEO, that was a possibility worth a small fortune. And presumably, they knew the odds were low after sacking the last few CEOs. I'm hoping that she didn't even have to say it - a competent board could approach the whole thing with "we're in deep water, we think you're less doomed than most people would be". That may well have b…

It's perfectly ethical if you've had a frank discussion with your employer about your odds of success. If you sold them the idea that you could save it, but privately were certain you could not, that is plainly and simply unethical.
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