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From OS X to Ubuntu

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Re: From OS X to Ubuntu

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For all your OS X coming to Linux, a word of personal advice. Use a distro with KDE, Kubuntu is great for beginners and install ubuntu-make ( https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-make ), a command line utility that installs your dev environment. If you feel a bit more adventurous and want the all of the newest Software try Manjaro-KDE. Why KDE? KDE has a traditional Desktop experience, that can be tweaked in every way. It…

If I recall correctly, Kubuntu was the reference KDE platform when Plasma 5 made its debut (two years ago). Nowadays, it seems Fedora leads the way, but Kubuntu is a great choice nonetheless. BTW I'm using Kubuntu 16.04.

Re: From OS X to Ubuntu

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Most important part here, and what is mostly stopping me from jumping ship is photography. Darktable is probably fantastic software, however there is number of great plugins for Lightroom that I would miss dearly.

You can virtualize or dual-boot if your photography workflow is anything like mine (mostly huge, batch-oriented). You can even use eg. VMWare unity mode to right-click to open in Lightroom in a virtualized windows or OSX instance. Performance won't be perfect but it's definitely good enough. Less so for video editing. Personally the bigger irritation has been printer drivers. I have a Canon Pixma Pro 1 which has no d…

I don't care about printing much, I barely do this. I am thinking of dual booting. Don't really see other good way to go about it.

Most likely, if I would switch to Linux, just use DarkTable and figure things out.

One huge benefit of all of us switching to Linux, would be demand for good solutions for our problems, both as a potential providers of those solutions, as well as market.

Re: From OS X to Ubuntu

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Almost everything is most up to date, in ubuntu you get versions that can be years old. And no, that doesn't really mean it breaks things. I have antergos for a couple of months now. I have about 1500 packages installed, never got anything broken like I had the `sudo apt -f install` every few weeks in ubuntu. And ubuntu comes a bit bloated out of the box. At least for a "normal" power user that knows how to install t…

Hmm, that's interesting, thanks. I currently have provisioning scripts for Ubuntu that will set up any machine just the way I want it from scratch with one command, so moving all that state is not trivial, but Arch sounds very interesting. I'll give it a try, thank you!

No problem.

Yeah, setting up the environment is a hassle. Happy to help if I can.

Re: From OS X to Ubuntu

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> So, is Linux ready for the desktop? > For me, the answer is yes. Honestly it's been ready for years on the desktop (of course, this does not apply if you are an expert user in Y software only available on Z platform and need to use it for your job/company, etc...). Ubuntu 16.04 did not bring anything significant on the table, it's just that most people have not noticed. I switched full Linux back in 2009~2010 and I…

It's been ready for over ten years. I switched in the early '00s. As well as giving me a reliable* platform to work on, this had the enormous benefit of allowing me to say "I don't know anything about Windows any more, so if you want me to help you with your computer you'll have to switch to Linux" to friends and family. Many switched, and I must have saved myself months of fixing Windows machines. So I offer a heart…

I would argue that your asterisk means Linux is nowhere near ready for wide use on the desktop. Non-technical users can wreak all sorts of havoc with an OS setup, and it needs to be somewhat hardened to that (my personal favorite story is having to fix a friend's Windows install that somehow associated .exe files with Word, so Word became the shell and displayed the unicode garbage representation of explorer.exe).

Re: From OS X to Ubuntu

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This has actually always been one of the major benefits of FreeBSD (and other BSDs too). I consider it an accident of history that Linux won out. We (devs, sysadmins, users) chose this fragmentation for some reason I still don't understand.

Don't kid yourself. If IBM had thrown its weight behind FreeBSD instead of Linux in 2000-2001, Linux would be the greener-grass "what if?" OS and FreeBSD would be on most of our phones. Individual users had nothing to do with it.

Even back then, Linux had more traction on embedded systems. FreeBSD was mostly desktop systems, though multiple architectures were supported.

The Sharp Zarus, Nokia stuff, and other efforts pioneered the way for Linux on phones.

Re: From OS X to Ubuntu

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My main point to stick to macOS is the lack of any solid alternative to Xcode for iOS development. For a non-development environment, I think Raspbian provides a good enough experience. #stuckForever

This is because Apple wants to lock you in. It is your choice to stay with the platform or get out. Fun fact: if you remote login into a OSX machine you wont be allowed to build and publish iOS apps. Apple has disabled that on purpose. Think about that for a minute!

Sounds like the "evil" MS of the late 90s/early 2000s.

When I see a company resorting to such artificial and globally-detrimental methods in a sorry attempt to retain/lock customers, I feel like it's an implicit admission that they've lost much of their mind-share, their "higher" vision, their "capital of relevance" so to speak.

It's basically a tantrum disconnected from a higher coherent vision, like "if I can't have it, then nobody gets it!" and goes on to break the thing in question.

Such negativity.

Jobs' Apple was aggressive and ruthless, but not negative, it really sought to add value to their customers life; it was indeed much more loyal to, and respectful of, said customers (and I suspect much less to its partners). Above all it was damn substantial in its own way, towards its own path: you don't lock X because you can and that's the best you could come up with, you lock X because it makes sense from a business perspective without alienating the user. You may have disliked many of their decisions, the matter of the fact is that in the long run they made sense from a deeper perspective.

Cook's Apple is nothing like that, it's like "hipsters meet hedge funds" philosophy of profit/design, more shady/disingenuous ways of enticing customer pride/lock. Even their marketing can be misguiding nowadays, and while not lying, it's way passed a red line that Jobs never crossed: yes you may sell a lot with a clever marketing twist (not lies per se, but a message that feels as much once you've realized there was intent behind your misunderstanding or misplaced expectations); but in the long run, it hurts your very ability to sell anew, i.e. you traded trust for profit and may end up deserving none.

Such a flawed approach to adding value to the world, making the sector worse off, overall, the more it's entangled in the artificially closed Apple ecosystem. No wonder people have woken up and many are actively trying to escape Apple's garden now, but that's only the 1% of the savviest --most consumers keep buying the latest Macs, often for reasons like customer service (consciously) and social status biases (unconsciously).

If I may use a pop reference, Apple used to be a Vulcan company, now they're closer to a Ferengi clone.

This isn't just an abstract rant, it's a high-level account of all the very real and practical reasons that drove me off the Apple wagon during the past 4 years or so, why I stopped spending $2K/year on their products (did that for a decade) and why I don't recommend Macs/iOS anymore to most of my contacts (and right there is at least 10x my spending, also gone to MS, Google, Dell, Samsung, HTC, ASUS, etc.)

I know this all may sound harsh and a bit hyperbolic, but it's basically my way of saying it's little things like these that show, or rather raises questions, how/whether a company lost its way. About UI/UX on Apple products for instance, or software quality in general, or the hardware philosophy of sleek/hot/not powerful Macs, the first signs were already there by 2013: the current situation isn't surprising if you were deep into the Apple ecosystem and paying attention to such aspects, in painful detail I agree. Right at the same moment MS changed and became Nadella's opened, software-first, partner-friendly company, and even if not obvious at all some years ago, their current situation isn't surprising either looking at how details, little events here and there in the MS ecosystem, painted a very clear picture towards that vision.

If I were invested in Apple right now, as a consumer or investor, I wouldn't trust their ability to remain "above" or "equal to" MS/Google by 2020, in terms of OS/software/services. Not saying they won't, but there's momentum to reverse there, it's currently downhill (and much faster than I had anticipated, Windows 10 or Android really are on par nowadays, if not actually better on many such "details"). The question is whether Apple under several CEOs will prove to be an IBM or a Microsoft: can this 20th century company effectively embrace new paradigms? Can they move past their previous decisions, which may have made sense at the time, but would eventually grow to become obsolete or even flawed as computing and behaviors evolve in time? How is their internal culture conducive to such change, how much does it impede meaningful design and innovation currently?

Re: From OS X to Ubuntu

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Hmm, that's interesting, thanks. I currently have provisioning scripts for Ubuntu that will set up any machine just the way I want it from scratch with one command, so moving all that state is not trivial, but Arch sounds very interesting. I'll give it a try, thank you!

No problem. Yeah, setting up the environment is a hassle. Happy to help if I can.

Thank you for your offer! I'm sure it'll be straightforward, it's just work that has to be done :)

Re: From OS X to Ubuntu

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I consider this a sad reality, being a huge FOSS fan and systems admin with several deployed/mantained linux servers, but, for most power users:

-> Right now, if you can, have all three operating systems available, according to your needs and each system's software coverage strengths and weaknesses.

Expanding (and this is where it might get controversial): If you game (for real), make music (for real) or produce video (for real), you are stuck with Windows...

-> Mac OS X comes really close for video and graphics, BUT, for rendering shit out you are still going to want a fully loaded multi-gpu rig, and you can't legally install OS X on that.

-> For music production, Mac OS X is already used in lots of shops, but if you like experimenting, you are still going to miss a bunch of audio plugins that are free and readily available for the Win32 ecosystem. Also, setting up low latency audio and plugins on Windows is a breeze.

-> If you build a gaming rig, you're stuck with Windows as well for the same performance reasons.

Here's what I am doing right now:

[On the go] I have a good-ish Macbook. The reason I chose a mac was because at the time I bought it (4 years ago), they were the only ones offering real 6h+ battery life. I'm usually on the move so I like to always have a box with me to squeeze some study/code in between the daily downtime. If I install Ubuntu or Windows on this laptop, battery is used 30% quicker, so no can do.

[At the home office] I produce music and game on a pretty beefy Windows rig. I need to boot to Windows because of the low latency/realtime requirements of gaming and live audio. When I need to code I just fire up a fullscreen Ubuntu VM (with like, 8gb of dedicated ram) and code away. This VM even finds and uses all my displays so I'm fully immersed, and performance for development is quite good (C and Python dev, mostly Eclipse CDT and Pycharm).

This setup is more complex than the usual, but I'm always fiddling with lots of stuff and this is how I keep myself happy and productive. I don't want to spend all day long configuring and compromising, trying to fit all my needs in one OS, it's just not going to happen. I think I'm better off actually doing real work ;)

Re: From OS X to Ubuntu

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I consider this a sad reality, being a huge FOSS fan and systems admin with several deployed/mantained linux servers, but, for most power users: -> Right now, if you can, have all three operating systems available, according to your needs and each system's software coverage strengths and weaknesses. Expanding (and this is where it might get controversial): If you game (for real), make music (for real) or produce vide…

> This VM even finds and uses all my displays

Are you using VirtualBox? VMWare? I have had hell getting this to work properly.

Re: From OS X to Ubuntu

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> Save time. Support having good laptops and good drivers. Buy pre-installed. Paying the "windows tax" and installing a Linux on a windows laptop isn't just more work, it is bad for the ecosystem. I wish I could. Unfortunately, I live in a country (Taiwan) where no one knows about Linux. It's impossible to buy a pre-installed Linux laptop here. You know the most ironic part? My job here is to certify hardware (includ…

That's bizarre, considering 40% of Dell computers sold in China come with Linux.

My guess: They will not have Linux for long after their purchase.
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