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From OS X to Ubuntu

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Re: From OS X to Ubuntu

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Post by Accacin »

antouank wrote: post #256
StavrosK wrote: post #65

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What is it that you like about Arch? Maybe I should give it a shot, although with Ubuntu you know you'll have both the solutions and the software available somewhere.

Almost everything is most up to date, in ubuntu you get versions that can be years old. And no, that doesn't really mean it breaks things. I have antergos for a couple of months now. I have about 1500 packages installed, never got anything broken like I had the `sudo apt -f install` every few weeks in ubuntu. And ubuntu comes a bit bloated out of the box. At least for a "normal" power user that knows how to install t…

I don't want to sound rude, but Arch and Antergos aren't exactly the same. I think if you intall Arch you'll set yourself up with a much better understanding of your system for when something goes wrong.

Re: From OS X to Ubuntu

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Post by therealidiot »

drvdevd wrote: post #264
pjmlp wrote: post #228

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No, GNU/Linux needs less fragmentation. It needs a full OS stack, from the kernel to the UI toolkit, that is guaranteed to be the same, across all distributions. Where are the Mac OS X frameworks on GNU/Linux? Nowhere, because each distribution might be using a total different way to play sounds, music, doing SIMD, process images, accessing databases, UI toolkit ....

This has actually always been one of the major benefits of FreeBSD (and other BSDs too). I consider it an accident of history that Linux won out. We (devs, sysadmins, users) chose this fragmentation for some reason I still don't understand.

Choice, to me, is important.

I like that I don't _have_ to run a specific piece of software if I don't like the way it behaves/looks.

I can pick something else that gets the job done in a way I prefer

Re: From OS X to Ubuntu

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Post by Accacin »

Keats wrote: post #214
StavrosK wrote: post #138

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Doesn't that break things too often? I always run across at least one breaking change on each new Ubuntu version, and I'd imagine this happens much more often with a rollling release OS, is that not the case? Also, how is packaging? With Ubuntu, someone always has a PPA for everything.

I've been using Arch for ~2 years now and haven't had anything break, I do a pacman -Syu (updates everything) every week or so. Arch has AUR ( http://aur.archlinux.org/ ) which has probably way more things than PPA have

I'm away and not on my main machine at the moment, but I've heard of problems for people who have installed Infinality fonts in the last few days.. So I'm looking forward to fixing tht when I get home.

Re: From OS X to Ubuntu

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Post by pawelkomarnicki »

aruggirello wrote: post #290

Shameless plug: wish me good luck - I'm going to open an ecommerce for Linux- & BSD- preinstalled laptop & desktop computers in Italy (because that's where I live). Mind you, it's a small business, initially limited to reselling OEM-preinstalled systems already available in the wholesale market, but if it works, I'm planning to launch my own models, too. Any suggestions?

Don't do it.

Re: From OS X to Ubuntu

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Post by thepiwo »

aruggirello wrote: post #290

Shameless plug: wish me good luck - I'm going to open an ecommerce for Linux- & BSD- preinstalled laptop & desktop computers in Italy (because that's where I live). Mind you, it's a small business, initially limited to reselling OEM-preinstalled systems already available in the wholesale market, but if it works, I'm planning to launch my own models, too. Any suggestions?

Do you already have a Name/Website? Will you only offer Desktop and Server PCs?

Re: From OS X to Ubuntu

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Post by antouank »

Accacin wrote: post #291
antouank wrote: post #256

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Almost everything is most up to date, in ubuntu you get versions that can be years old. And no, that doesn't really mean it breaks things. I have antergos for a couple of months now. I have about 1500 packages installed, never got anything broken like I had the `sudo apt -f install` every few weeks in ubuntu. And ubuntu comes a bit bloated out of the box. At least for a "normal" power user that knows how to install t…

I don't want to sound rude, but Arch and Antergos aren't exactly the same. I think if you intall Arch you'll set yourself up with a much better understanding of your system for when something goes wrong.

From what I've read, it's a "light installer on top of it". For now it works pretty well for what I need. And coming from OSX and ubuntu it's a good step I guess. I'll try just arch on a VM to see what the differences are.

Re: From OS X to Ubuntu

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Post by nachtigall »

aruggirello wrote: post #290

Shameless plug: wish me good luck - I'm going to open an ecommerce for Linux- & BSD- preinstalled laptop & desktop computers in Italy (because that's where I live). Mind you, it's a small business, initially limited to reselling OEM-preinstalled systems already available in the wholesale market, but if it works, I'm planning to launch my own models, too. Any suggestions?

Look at what your competitors did and why they failed. There's been two or three businesses like this in Germany in the 2000s - and I think they were not too successful (cannot remember their names).

Mostly, because preinstalled with Windows and then installing yourself is still cheaper than buying from a small, single trader.

Re: From OS X to Ubuntu

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Post by [deleted] »

gleb wrote: post #79
SkyMarshal wrote: post #48

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Agreed, just get a laptop with any of Intel's wifi chips and you're almost guaranteed Linux won't have a problem with it.

For Intel cards default setup works, but is not optimal, i.e. it is slow. In particular transmit aggregation is turned off by default. `sudo modprobe iwlwifi 11n_disable=8` http://support.system76.com/articles/wireless/

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Re: From OS X to Ubuntu

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Post by thepiwo »

pawelkomarnicki wrote: post #294
aruggirello wrote: post #290

Shameless plug: wish me good luck - I'm going to open an ecommerce for Linux- & BSD- preinstalled laptop & desktop computers in Italy (because that's where I live). Mind you, it's a small business, initially limited to reselling OEM-preinstalled systems already available in the wholesale market, but if it works, I'm planning to launch my own models, too. Any suggestions?

Don't do it.

I'd say he should try, but with out to high expectations or financial investments.

Linux offers could work for people just wanting a working computer with less risk of viruses. People that don't care for their machine running Linux. Most other people interested are tech savvy and will compare other offerings as well or selfbuild.

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