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Re: H-1B Visas: U.S. Lawmaker Re-Introduces Bill to Tighten Rules

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Post by general_ai »

vostok wrote: post #302
general_ai wrote: post #279

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Outside of a small handful of areas (SV, Seattle, NY, a few others), it's very difficult to find anything in the $300K+ "total package" range. In SV all you have to do is get yourself hired by one of the top firms and then stay in the saddle while your stock vests and not suck too bad. Voila, 400K a year (much of which you will pay in taxes, but nonetheless). I challenge anyone to find a non-manager software engineer…

There are lots of companies in the Midwest that will pay mid six figures for a non-manager SWE. I will concede that there are fewer such jobs in the Midwest. I'm not convinced that jobs in the Midwest generally pay less than in California because of cost of living. It may well be that SWE openings in the Midwest are generally for less-skilled SWEs precisely because it's not worth paying California salaries for those…

Could be. I just couldn't find any such jobs, even after 8 years at Google, which tends to improve one's chances of finding a top paying job.

Re: H-1B Visas: U.S. Lawmaker Re-Introduces Bill to Tighten Rules

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Post by vostok »

pedrosorio wrote: post #308
vostok wrote: post #302

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There are lots of companies in the Midwest that will pay mid six figures for a non-manager SWE. I will concede that there are fewer such jobs in the Midwest. I'm not convinced that jobs in the Midwest generally pay less than in California because of cost of living. It may well be that SWE openings in the Midwest are generally for less-skilled SWEs precisely because it's not worth paying California salaries for those…

Which companies pay ~500k for a non-manager SWE in the Midwest?

This is total liquid comp, not base salary. I hope I didn't mislead you.

If you're still interested, I suggest that you speak to a headhunter. It's their job to place people and I'm not interested in breaking anonymity.

Re: H-1B Visas: U.S. Lawmaker Re-Introduces Bill to Tighten Rules

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Post by general_ai »

pedrosorio wrote: post #308
vostok wrote: post #302

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There are lots of companies in the Midwest that will pay mid six figures for a non-manager SWE. I will concede that there are fewer such jobs in the Midwest. I'm not convinced that jobs in the Midwest generally pay less than in California because of cost of living. It may well be that SWE openings in the Midwest are generally for less-skilled SWEs precisely because it's not worth paying California salaries for those…

Which companies pay ~500k for a non-manager SWE in the Midwest?

The only example that I know of in support of vostok's statement are a couple of HFT trading firms in Chicago. If you have the right chops, your comp _starts_ at 500K there, and then quickly goes up to about $1M/yr. But you do need elite chops, and you do have to live in Chicago, and you do have to work in an HFT firm, which is, shall we say, not for everybody.

Re: H-1B Visas: U.S. Lawmaker Re-Introduces Bill to Tighten Rules

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Post by vostok »

general_ai wrote: post #313
pedrosorio wrote: post #308

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Which companies pay ~500k for a non-manager SWE in the Midwest?

The only example that I know of in support of vostok's statement are a couple of HFT trading firms in Chicago. If you have the right chops, your comp _starts_ at 500K there, and then quickly goes up to about $1M/yr. But you do need elite chops, and you do have to live in Chicago, and you do have to work in an HFT firm, which is, shall we say, not for everybody.

I am not aware of trading firms that start at $500k, but this is, broadly speaking, correct. The pay is similar to the high paying tech companies, but the mean is higher as the left tail is chopped off due to somewhat higher requirements for hiring.

Obviously a mom and pop flower shop will not hire a fulltime developer and pay them $500k. They just don't need to pay that much to meet their requirements.

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Post by usaphp »

throwaway2017ab wrote: post #277
usaphp wrote: post #246

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> "I worked hard than the Americans for 3 years !. They pretty well knew I was an indentured servant and paid me 79K/annum. All salary raises and promotions were going to a handful of lazy Americans who rolls into the office whenever they wish." You seem to have a pretty aggressive attitude towards people whose country gave you job and paid much more than you were making in your home country. You also seem to have a…

> aggressive attitude towards people whose country gave you job Am I not paying taxes just like everyone else ? So should I bow down my head just because I worked in some country ? I worked legally & sincerely and paid taxes. I will stop my aggression if I am given back the extra taxes that I paid which I have no use of being a temporary worker. Also remember that this is not your country. The country belongs to nati…

> "If you think you are smart. I challenge you, learn a foreign language(eg:Hindi), goto that country and try to compete with the native workers there, like I did. I learned English, got my Computer Science degree(very cheap) & I am competing with people like you. I will bet a million dollar that you don't have any other skills than being a keyboard warrior."

I came to US from Russia when I was 18, by myself...

It seems like your attitude is the reason why you were treated like that at work, looking at your other comments I can just feel sorry for you, now you seem to be really pumped agains "americans", but if you had problems with "americans" who were drinking coffee and giving you all the "hard work" you should have said it in their face instead of being a keyboard warrior hiding behind throwaway accounts now and insulting them behind their backs. Just read what you wrote "I will bet a million dollar that you don't have any other skills than being a keyboard warrior.", insulting a stranger who just gave you his opinion makes me believe you have some other issues and finding a perfect job will be really hard for you unless you deal with those...

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Post by usaphp »

rtpg wrote: post #292
usaphp wrote: post #246

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> "I worked hard than the Americans for 3 years !. They pretty well knew I was an indentured servant and paid me 79K/annum. All salary raises and promotions were going to a handful of lazy Americans who rolls into the office whenever they wish." You seem to have a pretty aggressive attitude towards people whose country gave you job and paid much more than you were making in your home country. You also seem to have a…

Amex seemed to have a pretty aggressive attitude towards a person who moved across the world to work for them. Here's a person who had a job, paid taxes, participated in daily life, helped this company grow, and you think you gave them something? They were hired by a company in the US, the company thanks them by paying them and helping them with immigration. This person was working like most of us, I don't see why th…

> "I don't see why they don't deserve to be treated like a human being."

I don't see how he was not being treated like a human being? He was paid a salary he agreed to when he signed the contract, he did the work that he signed up for, we don't really know why he never got promotion, there could be many reasons why, his aggressive attitude might be one of them...

Re: H-1B Visas: U.S. Lawmaker Re-Introduces Bill to Tighten Rules

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Post by camus2 »

blinkingled wrote: post #29

This will just increase outsourcing - I wonder if there's a law that's going to address that too - a tariff for software and services brought from outside the country. Seriously, attacking H1B problem purely with salary raises is the wrong approach for many reasons - not all jobs cost a 100k that you can always find American workers to do, it doesn't consider cost of living and further entices companies to look into…

> This will just increase outsourcing

No it won't, outsourcing IT to a third world country, India or China is incredibly hard and costly. In fact I know no big corporation which successfully outsourced their entire IT department. Plenty tried and failed, for many reasons.

Re: H-1B Visas: U.S. Lawmaker Re-Introduces Bill to Tighten Rules

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Post by ENGNR »

cmurf wrote: post #129
geebee wrote: post #85

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I'm not sure that I'm sympathetic to employers who want to pay less. Keep in mind, the US takes in well over a million immigrants a year, and has a huge internal workforce. The H1B was created to help employers find critical and highly skilled workers that are in desperately short supply in the US. "Oh, but we can't afford to pay them a lot of money, that's not fair!" isn't the sort of argument that tends to evoke mu…

Why is it OK to pay a cheap wage for work done by an outsourced employee not in the U.S. for the benefit of a U.S. customer; but suddenly not OK when that person is in the U.S.? If the answer is merely, a critical plurality doesn't like that market outcome and has voted to legislate an alternative outcome, well OK. That's the system we have. But on principle, this must be admitted to be protectionism, it's the anti-t…

It's protectionism to be sure, the enemy of progress.

Economic liberalism got too far ahead, and failed to distribute the wealth back to society as was promised.

Finally stung, the people turned their back on economic liberalism (for now), and will continue to until they can say "Yay, we destroyed those jobs, now no one needs to do them!".

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Post by rtpg »

nugget wrote: post #86
davidw wrote: post #39

Why not take a courageous approach and let people in who want to work? Don't tie them to one job. Don't pick arbitrary numbers of the 'right' number of immigrants. Don't try ever more complex schemes based on where people live and what job they do. Keep the government involved to vet them in terms of avoiding criminals, and let the market handle how many people to bring in, not government bureaucrats and politicians.…

One challenge is that people who grew up in America have totally different expectations in terms of quality of life and living standards than immigrants from poor countries who are willing to move here and start from scratch. A poor kid from India or China might move to Silicon Valley or NYC and spend a decade sharing a studio with 4-5 others in his/her situation, just for the chance to escape poverty back home. Is i…

OK so this guy from India shows up, shares a studio with 4-5 others.

Then Twitter offers them quadruple the salary to join them instead.

This is an _entirely solved problem_ if it were not for immigration rules. Jobs with shitty pay will get outcompeted by jobs with better pay. Or those jobs just don't get filled in the first place!

We already see this in the restaurant business. Really shitty jobs at minimum(or waiter minimum) wage are all over the place. They used to be filled by people coming in from central America as undocumented immigrants, but even they got tired of the bad jobs. So now they sit vacant, because nobody wants them.

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Post by yellow_viper »

ActsJuvenile wrote: post #219
yellow_viper wrote: post #165

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Green cards too. My family moved out of America a few months after my dads work had secured us greecards at a total of $350,000 (iirc - for the family of 7). These were voided as we didn't stay in the country long enough to validate them - what a waste.

You mean $35,000?

was $50,000 per person I believe
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