I see lot of Chinese and Russians too .. what visa do they use?
H-1B Visas: U.S. Lawmaker Re-Introduces Bill to Tighten Rules
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Re: H-1B Visas: U.S. Lawmaker Re-Introduces Bill to Tighten Rules
#282Earlier quoted context omitted.
What you mean by you are a risk taker? You have no idea what you are comparing here. Will you risk your family getting deported due to a clerical error? Once H1B lose his job, he and his family has to leave the country in 15 days. Sell his house, pull kids out from school, etc. All this arises whenever H1B tries to change the job.
About the risk taking, I spoke for myself and not for anyone else. Life is not a bed of roses, I've accepted that. When I got my H1B visa, I was aware of all the risks it involves. I've said this in previous posts as well, nobody forces you to take an H1B, you chose to take it. It's like buying an expensive car and complaining that you have to fill premium gas. Well, no one asked you to buy one, did they? Secondly, y…
I mean, it's the same argument for indentured service, which today is considered morally reprehensible. The point is not that the people who took that choice knew the risks they were taking. The point that the kind of situation H1B puts you into in its current form is not one that should exist, even if by choice.
But it is also true that many folks are not aware of these risks. I have many friends in the States on H1B, many are completely unaware of this. Most have good employers so I doubt this will be a problem, but there's not as much awareness as there should be.
Re: H-1B Visas: U.S. Lawmaker Re-Introduces Bill to Tighten Rules
#283Earlier quoted context omitted.
Sounds awesome considering those body shops use up most of the H-1B quota and significantly underpay their employees compared to industry wages. For example, somewhere between 47% and 85% of H-1Bs are being significantly underpaid compared to their peers, evidence that the program is not being used to bring over workers with "specialized knowledge" as they claim--but to drive down wages. It makes sense though, when y…
This pits new grads against people with many years of experience. If kids come to the US for their undergrad/masters/phd and want to work here, they're not going to be the highest paid people competing, but they might have more long term value and chance of truly integrating with the country.
I'm not sure there are enough people with many years of experience to fill the quota so I doubt new grads are going to miss out.
Looking at [0] and a simple bit of JS, the bottom end of the 65k person cap is at line 281 at a salary of $100,442, which is on the low end for new grads at Google, Facebook etc.
Plus,
> If kids come to the US for their undergrad/masters/phd and want to work here
I'm not sure of the details but some of my colleagues are in this position and they work on some kind of visa that isn't a H-1B and is related to the fact they recently finished studying here.
Re: H-1B Visas: U.S. Lawmaker Re-Introduces Bill to Tighten Rules
#284I was a full time H1B employee at AMEX for 3 years. Its not only the Indian outsourcing firms who abuse the H1B visa system. All American companies including AMEX also do that. The company never even had plans to give me a promotion, not even increase my salary a bit even though I worked hard than the Americans for 3 years !. They pretty well knew I was an indentured servant and paid me 79K/annum. All salary raises a…
That sounds like a toxic company culture and I'm sorry you experienced that. But H1B's can be transferred to a new job. Why didn't you apply to a different company. Working harder than everyone else for a year should put you way ahead, no?
> H1Bs can be transferred to a new job
Its not easy as it sounds. Even if I goto a new company, its the same broken immigration system I have to face, and the job change is not that easy, more complications and risks when your green card process is in progress(even the entire process will be reset in some cases). There are many aspects & risks an H1B employee should consider before changing the job. The GC wait times for Indian born workers are around 7 years for EB2 category. Imagine, the worker being thrown out of his queue position just because he changed his job ! Draconian rules H1B visa has. H1B visa is like a bunch of non-compete clauses written all over it. The worker is exploited in his salary,job mobility, promotions, raises and cannot question the employer on any grounds, because if you are fired, you are illegal from the very next day and have to leave the country !
> Working harder than everyone else for a year should put you way ahead
Well, I don't know how to explain that, you should work there to experience it or take a look at glassdoor reviews for amex.
Re: H-1B Visas: U.S. Lawmaker Re-Introduces Bill to Tighten Rules
#285I support many H1B reforms - it is essentially a broken program. Canadian and Australian immigration systems provide a good model to build off of a successful high skilled guest worker program. Of course, like everything in the US, an army of lobbyists will prevent such common sense programs to be implemented. Raising the minimum wage to 100K is the wrong approach. Computer science degree programs are a major source…
I am a beneficiary of such a program in Canada called Express Entry. I quit my H1B job in US and is currently working in Canada and my Permanent residence process is in progress. I expect to get it within an year. I was selected based on my skills rather than my luck(H1B lottery) Canada's express entry system is a skill based immigration system. I think Australia's is similar. Under the Canada's system, the visa is not tied to the employer and if you have the skills(express entry point system), you get permanent residence.
Re: H-1B Visas: U.S. Lawmaker Re-Introduces Bill to Tighten Rules
#286Earlier quoted context omitted.
There's also, by definition, a shortage of talent willing to work for far-below-market wages. It's in employers' best interest to address this "shortage".
Exactly. They found a way to get around the problem of paying market wages by changing the market.
Sounds more like H-1B is just 21st century legal mean for the company to chain down those employees (like indentured servants of the past).
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#287hackernews' audience is mostly Americans, so expect to get downvoted for any comments that hurts their ego. My upvote for you in speaking out the truth.
Please don't make up generalizations about HN to score rhetorical points. Unless you have real data to support them, such points tend to be dominated by bias and unsubstantive. We detached this comment from https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=13361461 and marked it off-topic.
we have a winner !
Re: H-1B Visas: U.S. Lawmaker Re-Introduces Bill to Tighten Rules
#288On one talks about the actual issue with the H1B. I'm a H1B holder from India, living and working in USA for past 10 years. The actual incentive for companies is that, an H1B holder from India has less rights, they cannot change job or even travel freely outside USA (for decades). That gives the employers full control of the employee. Any guess why companies only recruit from India and China? Because, the country bas…
> they cannot change job Correction: You can change jobs, but the green card process needs to start again but you keep your priority date. EDIT: You can change jobs to another "similar" position i.e. the job responsibilities should be similar. You can't move from an individual contributer to a manager position for example. In this case, the green card application will have to be done again. > That gives the employers…
So there's un-needed friction on the H-1B process that serves only to lower wages.
Remove the link between H-1B visa holders and their employers and suddenly all that wage depression disappears!
In Japan, while an employer can sponsor your work visa, after you obtain the visa you can change jobs at will (so long as its still within the broad category of visa you were given). You just need to signal the change of employer to the immigration office.
Re: H-1B Visas: U.S. Lawmaker Re-Introduces Bill to Tighten Rules
#289Earlier quoted context omitted.
About the risk taking, I spoke for myself and not for anyone else. Life is not a bed of roses, I've accepted that. When I got my H1B visa, I was aware of all the risks it involves. I've said this in previous posts as well, nobody forces you to take an H1B, you chose to take it. It's like buying an expensive car and complaining that you have to fill premium gas. Well, no one asked you to buy one, did they? Secondly, y…
I mean, it's the same argument for indentured service, which today is considered morally reprehensible. The point is not that the people who took that choice knew the risks they were taking. The point that the kind of situation H1B puts you into in its current form is not one that should exist, even if by choice. But it is also true that many folks are not aware of these risks. I have many friends in the States on H1…
> I mean, it's the same argument for indentured service
Everytime there is an article about H1B, people start flinging "slavery" and "indentured servants". Please be honest and don't analogize H1B hurdles (which I agree exist) to situations where people were actually killed.
Re: H-1B Visas: U.S. Lawmaker Re-Introduces Bill to Tighten Rules
#290I was a full time H1B employee at AMEX for 3 years. Its not only the Indian outsourcing firms who abuse the H1B visa system. All American companies including AMEX also do that. The company never even had plans to give me a promotion, not even increase my salary a bit even though I worked hard than the Americans for 3 years !. They pretty well knew I was an indentured servant and paid me 79K/annum. All salary raises a…
> "I worked hard than the Americans for 3 years !. They pretty well knew I was an indentured servant and paid me 79K/annum. All salary raises and promotions were going to a handful of lazy Americans who rolls into the office whenever they wish." You seem to have a pretty aggressive attitude towards people whose country gave you job and paid much more than you were making in your home country. You also seem to have a…
Are you aware that the majority of pre-revolution willing immigrants (so not counting slaves) to what eventually became the US came under indentured service? This is basically voluntary time-bound slavery. They, too, had a choice. They, too, had full rights to complain about it afterwards. It was a good thing that that was abolished.
Not everyone coming here is fully aware of the consequences of what they are doing or have been misled. Additionally, humans are allowed to change their minds; and as you get settled in the country you lose that opportunity. Indentured service was orders of magnitudes worse than what H1-B does but there are a lot of similarities in the situations involved and the arguments surrounding them.