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Re: H-1B Visas: U.S. Lawmaker Re-Introduces Bill to Tighten Rules

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Post by flamedoge »

dmode wrote: post #68
jinglbox wrote: post #63

This is an attempt by the corrupt Darrel Issa to help H1B fraudsters continue their wage theft. This bill is an attempt to get out in front of any real reform by making it seem unnecessary. A child's trick. The fact is that everyone knows that Silicon Valley corporations like Google, Facebook, and Apple use H1B fraud to suppress (steal) wages. You don't have to be even one ounce xenophobic or racist to think it's wro…

Google, Apple, and Facebook are literally the highest paying companies in the world. If that is an example of "suppressed wages"...

His complaint is that it isn't higher than Snoop Dogg

Re: H-1B Visas: U.S. Lawmaker Re-Introduces Bill to Tighten Rules

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Post by uiri »

ashwinaj wrote: post #155
suryacom wrote: post #136

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>This sounds like you are talking about consulting companies who hold their employees hostage This thread is discussing a law -- that targets only consulting companies. >No legitimate company can do that and you have legal recourse if they do. That is not correct. There is nothing an H1B employee can do if his employer does not share the copy of I-140.

Well they also talk about removing the master's degree quota. So it's not just about shady consulting companies.

No, the Master's degree quota is unaffected by this legislation. The version of the bill presented in the previous congress is here: https://www.congress.gov/bill/114th-congress/house-bill/5801...

I expect the language of Rep Issa's bill for this session Congress to be largely unchanged.

"Exempt" H-1B employees are not counted when determining whether or not an employer is H-1B dependent. Generally, an employer is H-1B dependent if over 15% of their employees are nonexempt H-1Bs.

The old criteria for exempt status were:

(a) at least $60k annual salary OR (b) Master's degree

The new criterion proposed in the bill is:

(a) at least $100k annual salary

This explicitly targets companies like Infosys, Tata, etc. who use hordes of H-1Bs but pay them just over $60k or ensure that they have Master's degrees.

Microsoft, Google, Amazon, et. al. will still be able to employ hordes of H-1Bs but they will be unaffected due to the high paying nature of the work.

Re: H-1B Visas: U.S. Lawmaker Re-Introduces Bill to Tighten Rules

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Post by smb06 »

shas3 wrote: post #24

I think there's a big misconception here on this thread, thanks to the poorly written WSJ blog post. Rep. Issa's bill only applies to companies which have more than 15% of their workforce of 50 or more on visas. That number is calibrated to affect outsourcing companies like Infosys, TCS, HCL, etc. So, while it's fun to jump on the "foreigners shouldn't work in America" bandwagon on this thread, this bill is not what…

What company is going to sponsor H1B visa for anyone that costs $100,000 and isn't a Comp Sc grad in the Bay Area?

There are a LOT of other professions where H1B visa holders add a lot of value to the US economy. It's not just CS grads in SF.

Re: H-1B Visas: U.S. Lawmaker Re-Introduces Bill to Tighten Rules

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Post by whenwillitstop »

sunilkumarc wrote: post #176

Is this bill is passed, what does it mean for a person in India who wants to apply(from India) and get hired by a US company who has a very good skill set but doesn't have a master's degree?

It means you arent welcome

Re: H-1B Visas: U.S. Lawmaker Re-Introduces Bill to Tighten Rules

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Post by aianus »

yardie wrote: post #137
aianus wrote: post #100

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Any guess why companies only recruit from India and China? There are loads of Canadians [0] on TNs and H1Bs in the US and most don't particularly care about ever getting a green card. How do you explain their presence if you believe companies only recruit foreigners from poor countries in order to exploit their desire for US residency? [0] https://techvibes.com/2012/02/24/there-are-350000-canadians-...

If you're Canadian why are you getting a H1B? Get a TN. It's simpler, faster, and way less onerous than a H1B.

Can't get a TN for investment banking, it's not a supported occupation (one of my friends had to do this).

Similarly for a few other occupations. And, of course, some want to hedge their bets in case they do want a green card in the future.

Re: H-1B Visas: U.S. Lawmaker Re-Introduces Bill to Tighten Rules

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Post by shas3 »

smb06 wrote: post #183
shas3 wrote: post #24

I think there's a big misconception here on this thread, thanks to the poorly written WSJ blog post. Rep. Issa's bill only applies to companies which have more than 15% of their workforce of 50 or more on visas. That number is calibrated to affect outsourcing companies like Infosys, TCS, HCL, etc. So, while it's fun to jump on the "foreigners shouldn't work in America" bandwagon on this thread, this bill is not what…

What company is going to sponsor H1B visa for anyone that costs $100,000 and isn't a Comp Sc grad in the Bay Area? There are a LOT of other professions where H1B visa holders add a lot of value to the US economy. It's not just CS grads in SF.

Bay Area is not just software. There are big pharma companies, financial firms, non-software roles in software companies, etc.

Re: H-1B Visas: U.S. Lawmaker Re-Introduces Bill to Tighten Rules

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Post by tw04 »

shas3 wrote: post #132
geebee wrote: post #85

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm not sure that I'm sympathetic to employers who want to pay less. Keep in mind, the US takes in well over a million immigrants a year, and has a huge internal workforce. The H1B was created to help employers find critical and highly skilled workers that are in desperately short supply in the US. "Oh, but we can't afford to pay them a lot of money, that's not fair!" isn't the sort of argument that tends to evoke mu…

"if the salary isn't really high..." How high? Why is 100k a magic number? 100k isn't even a big deal in SF or NYC. While a high skilled scientist working in say, Corning, NY at Corning Corp or Niskayuna, NY at GE's research labs, 100k enables a king's life. How would you adjust for experience? Perhaps a company sees immense potential and cultural fit in an employee and wants to groom them for future roles? The wages…

> Perhaps a company sees immense potential and cultural fit in an employee and wants to groom them for future roles?

As previously stated, the intention of H1B is for ALREADY SKILLED workers in short supply. If they want to groom someone, they should be hiring a US citizen, not going to the H1B pool to find a low-cost foreign alternative.

Re: H-1B Visas: U.S. Lawmaker Re-Introduces Bill to Tighten Rules

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Post by melvinmt »

joering2 wrote: post #81
suryacom wrote: post #27

On one talks about the actual issue with the H1B. I'm a H1B holder from India, living and working in USA for past 10 years. The actual incentive for companies is that, an H1B holder from India has less rights, they cannot change job or even travel freely outside USA (for decades). That gives the employers full control of the employee. Any guess why companies only recruit from India and China? Because, the country bas…

Oh, and while you're on it.. don't lose that Green Card! It costs about $27 in Cali to get a dup of your lost DL [1]; while your Green Card replacement costs... $450! [2] [1] http://www.dmv.org/ca-california/replace-license.php [2] https://www.bridge.us/articles/misplace-green-card/ Its very obvious USCIS prays on the fact that most immigrants do not make enough money to actually hire (expensive) lawyer and take them…

> take them to the court

On the base of what, though? It's well known that the USCIS is mostly self sustained (e.g. minimal government funding) so that money has to come from somewhere. I believe the thought is that getting a visa/permanent residency is considered a privilege, not a right.

Re: H-1B Visas: U.S. Lawmaker Re-Introduces Bill to Tighten Rules

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Post by SilasX »

diogenescynic wrote: post #38
shas3 wrote: post #24

I think there's a big misconception here on this thread, thanks to the poorly written WSJ blog post. Rep. Issa's bill only applies to companies which have more than 15% of their workforce of 50 or more on visas. That number is calibrated to affect outsourcing companies like Infosys, TCS, HCL, etc. So, while it's fun to jump on the "foreigners shouldn't work in America" bandwagon on this thread, this bill is not what…

Sounds awesome considering those body shops use up most of the H-1B quota and significantly underpay their employees compared to industry wages. For example, somewhere between 47% and 85% of H-1Bs are being significantly underpaid compared to their peers, evidence that the program is not being used to bring over workers with "specialized knowledge" as they claim--but to drive down wages. It makes sense though, when y…

>Sounds awesome considering those body shops use up most of the H-1B quota and significantly underpay their employees compared to industry wages. ... It's mostly the low quality outsourcing shops like Infosys, TCS, Wipro, HCL, and Cognizant.

Stupid question: Can you feasibly fix this by restricting it to large companies like that? Isn't that just going to cause them to split into several companies, like NIS ("Not-Infosys") and TNI ("Totally Not Infosys").

Re: H-1B Visas: U.S. Lawmaker Re-Introduces Bill to Tighten Rules

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Post by X86BSD »

giis wrote: post #164
X86BSD wrote: post #128

Earlier quoted context omitted.

My wife is Indian. From Noida. I wasn't going to comment at all on this topic since it's already been beaten to death. But when I see the name Cognizant my blood BOILS. Cognizant is the most atrocious slave labor company I have ever had the misfortunate of dealing with. My wife's first company in the US to work for was Cognizant. It is horribly run by corrupt indians, and they treated her like absolute slavery. The h…

As ex-cognizant employee, I completely agree. My 4yr with them in India is absolute worst career decision. Manager(s) did treat fellow employee as slave. If you think yourself as a person with some kind of self-respect , I bet you will never grow up on career. Their managers want shoe-lickers not talents. Since the work is mostly junk, even school student can do them after few months of training. Ive seen these outso…

Exactly this. The nepotism, the inability to get promoted because you are not a relative or someone, the people who work with management getting all the credit as you said, its all just disgusting. I can't believe Cognizant is as huge a company as it is. They should never have been able to get the size they are.
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