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Android-based Smartphones Outpaced Apple's iPhone in Q1 2010

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Re: Android-based Smartphones Outpaced Apple's iPhone in Q1 2010

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Post by ergo98 »

revaaron wrote: post #78
ergo98 wrote: post #68

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>I get a list of running tasks with their corresponding package names That gives you get a list of running services. Further, in no way is a user ever directed to go there for any reason. You have no reason to ever go into that screen.

The reason I have is killing tasks like Camera, which appear to chew away at the battery even as they sit in the background... It wasn't until I started using a task manager that I started getting decent battery life out of my N1. The first week, I followed the party line- I didn't touch a task manager. And the first week I was seeing 20% of my battery drained by 10 AM in the morning while using it for under 15 minut…

The placebo effect is remarkably powerful, so I know I'm not going to convince you. However let me say that I took my phone off the charger at 8:30am, and right now my battery is at around 95%.

I never manage processes or services. I use apps and leave them and allow Android to manage the lifecycle.

Re: Android-based Smartphones Outpaced Apple's iPhone in Q1 2010

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Post by revaaron »

ergo98 wrote: post #57
revaaron wrote: post #53

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The list of things is pretty long... Notes for an eventual review here: Read my outline here: http://meef.us/~rev/n1/n1-notes.txt @ergo98: Please elaborate. Even if I concede that my problems with multitasking are imaginary, I'd love to find out how I can enable built-in support for Exchange calendaring, copy from emails, and make the N1's screen readable in bright sunlight... Believe me, I'd love to find out there w…

>The list of things is pretty long... The N1 has flaws, but many of your complaints are hilariously wrong. The fact that you give pronouncements on multitasking borders on comical, as you have no understanding about how Android's multitasking works.

Please elaborate. Even if I concede that my problems with multitasking are imaginary, I'd love to find out how I can enable built-in support for Exchange calendaring, copy from emails, and make the N1's screen readable in bright sunlight... Believe me, I'd love to find out there was just a preference I missed!

I understand how Android's multitasking is supposed to work, but in my experience it isn't up to snuff. From your tone, I imagine you'd ask me to put up with a sluggish phone rather than doing something to deal with it. Maybe it'll get better in 2.2.

Re: Android-based Smartphones Outpaced Apple's iPhone in Q1 2010

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Post by revaaron »

webwright wrote: post #45
martythemaniak wrote: post #42

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Can you name a major market where the majority of users own the same exact product? People like different cars, different appliances, different houses, etc. How do you expect the phones to be different?

I can think of a major market: operating systems. Phones aren't like cars, they are more like computers (and becoming more so).

I'd argue that phones are becoming a lot less like computers and more like cars. At least the iPhone as an example, phones are becoming more and more an information appliance, taken for granted to "just work."

They might be able to do a lot of the things that a "real" computer does but you don't have the power to treat them like regular computers. You can't easily put a new OS on them, write software for them without going through a central market place, etc. Apple obviously has this vision, but it's becoming clear that Microsoft shares it, at least for Windows Phone 7.

Re: Android-based Smartphones Outpaced Apple's iPhone in Q1 2010

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Post by lutorm »

ben1040 wrote: post #46
blhack wrote: post #20

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An inferior phone for a dozen reasons Could you elaborate on that? Everybody I know who has an N1 loves it...

I can't speak on behalf of the grandparent poster but my gripes are not at all with the N1 hardware itself -- in fact the N1 is quite possibly the best put together phone I've owned. My issues are with Android and how it still feels rough around the edges. 1) Lack of an integrated mail tool. I really don't care so much about POP/IMAP folder integration but why do I need two email apps, one for Gmail and one for IMAP.…

My N1 arrives tomorrow so I have no first-hand experience, but I assume you can access gmail through IMAP on the phone like you can on any other mail client if you don't want to use the Gmail app?

Re: Android-based Smartphones Outpaced Apple's iPhone in Q1 2010

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Post by theBobMcCormick »

revaaron wrote: post #77
barmstrong wrote: post #63

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N1 software still isn't quite as good as iPhone. But here are 4 reasons I prefer my N1: 1. the navigation app is better than what you can get on iPhone (use it almost every day) 2. Native Google Voice App 3. 5 megapixel camera phone (for me this was the threshold where I never carry a separate digital camera anymore, 5MP is enough for facebook) 4. I can use t-mobile instead of AT&T Given the software isn't quite as g…

I'm a proud father of a two year old the long lag of the N1's camera makes it near worthless. Doesn't matter if it's 5 or 10MP as long as it takes over a second to snap a photo. I was impressed by the iPhone's camera, but that's only because I was coming from an HTC Mogul, which had a horrible 2MP camera. That I can (mostly) do what I want with my N1 without relying on a jailbreak is what makes the N1 a win, overwhel…

The lag your experience with the camera is mostly likely do to the autofocus/exposure whatever stuff. When I first got my N1, I would "click" the onscreen shutter "button" quickly like it was a hyperlink or something. Instead, you need to hold the onscreen shutter "button" down until you hear a tone and get a yellowish outline around the picture preview area. Then let go of the "button" and the picture will take instantly.

Of course, your mileage may vary. :-)

Re: Android-based Smartphones Outpaced Apple's iPhone in Q1 2010

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Post by theBobMcCormick »

revaaron wrote: post #62
jacoblyles wrote: post #50

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Except viewing in the sunlight.

And lack of global copy/paste, Exchange Calendar support, etc. But especially the viewing in sunlight. :P

Full Exchange support is available in several third party apps (IMHO, that's where it belongs. I despise Exchange).

Re: Android-based Smartphones Outpaced Apple's iPhone in Q1 2010

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Post by theBobMcCormick »

lutorm wrote: post #84
ben1040 wrote: post #46

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I can't speak on behalf of the grandparent poster but my gripes are not at all with the N1 hardware itself -- in fact the N1 is quite possibly the best put together phone I've owned. My issues are with Android and how it still feels rough around the edges. 1) Lack of an integrated mail tool. I really don't care so much about POP/IMAP folder integration but why do I need two email apps, one for Gmail and one for IMAP.…

My N1 arrives tomorrow so I have no first-hand experience, but I assume you can access gmail through IMAP on the phone like you can on any other mail client if you don't want to use the Gmail app?

Yup. You sure can. I'm not sure why you'd want to, IMHO the Gmail app is nicer.

Re: Android-based Smartphones Outpaced Apple's iPhone in Q1 2010

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Post by loire280 »

DrSprout wrote: post #70
loire280 wrote: post #59

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Another thing to worry about is manufacturers abandoning support for old phones prematurely, or causing long delays between updates to new major versions. (I'm not sure if Android phones can update over the air, but if not then you may have a large number of users who never upgrade their OS.) Yes, technical users can probably acquire third-party firmware if the manufacturers drop the ball, but that's not a mainstream…

Well, the iPhone solution is basically throw away your phone every 18 months, which should work equally well on Android.

The carrier subsidy model provides an incentive to throw away your phone every 2 years, anyway.

Re: Android-based Smartphones Outpaced Apple's iPhone in Q1 2010

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Post by DrSprout »

ergo98 wrote: post #72
DrSprout wrote: post #69

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Sure I do. I use it to kill the exchange email sync, because it triples battery usage even when I have it set to not sync (I believe this has something to do with the fact that it's just scraping Outlook Web Access, not actually connecting with Exchange, which is impossible outside of the firewall.) And I use it for this sort of thing frequently. Most services pull down battery life considerably.

>I believe this has something to do with the fact that it's just scraping Outlook Web Access, not actually connecting with Exchange It communicates with Exchange Web Services, just like every other Exchange integrating smartphone product. It isn't "scraping Outlook". >And I use it for this sort of thing frequently. I've never, ever touched it. >Most services pull down battery life considerably. Sure. How, exactly, ha…

I have, generally speaking, three services up:

- GTalk

- Android Keyboard .

- BatteryLife

With these services up, my Droid loses maybe 40% of its battery life in a day (with minimal usage.)

While I sleep, it rarely consumes more than 10%. The counterexamples have been when I've left the Pandora Service running, as well as the Email Sync service.

So, I test it by enabling the service, changing nothing else about my usage, and watching my battery life take a nosedive.

And on the subject of what exactly it's doing, that's roughly the explanation I got from my friends on the Windows side. We have Exchange disabled outside the firewall, so my phone has to hit up OWA to get the data. Is Exchange Web Services an API available from OWA, but separate from the HTML? It's my understanding that my phone is in fact scraping the HTML.

Re: Android-based Smartphones Outpaced Apple's iPhone in Q1 2010

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Post by symesc »

theBobMcCormick wrote: post #85
revaaron wrote: post #77

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I'm a proud father of a two year old the long lag of the N1's camera makes it near worthless. Doesn't matter if it's 5 or 10MP as long as it takes over a second to snap a photo. I was impressed by the iPhone's camera, but that's only because I was coming from an HTC Mogul, which had a horrible 2MP camera. That I can (mostly) do what I want with my N1 without relying on a jailbreak is what makes the N1 a win, overwhel…

The lag your experience with the camera is mostly likely do to the autofocus/exposure whatever stuff. When I first got my N1, I would "click" the onscreen shutter "button" quickly like it was a hyperlink or something. Instead, you need to hold the onscreen shutter "button" down until you hear a tone and get a yellowish outline around the picture preview area. Then let go of the "button" and the picture will take inst…

Bob, you just solved one of my problems with the N1. That technique works perfectly for me. Thanks!
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