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Re: H-1B Visas: U.S. Lawmaker Re-Introduces Bill to Tighten Rules

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Post by 79d697i6fdif »

suryacom wrote: post #27

On one talks about the actual issue with the H1B. I'm a H1B holder from India, living and working in USA for past 10 years. The actual incentive for companies is that, an H1B holder from India has less rights, they cannot change job or even travel freely outside USA (for decades). That gives the employers full control of the employee. Any guess why companies only recruit from India and China? Because, the country bas…

The root of the problem with H1B is that despite a bunch of laws meant to make sure that these workers are paid and treated the same as US citizens, that isn't happening at a lot of companies. This is creating a huge demand for visa workers as a kind of indentured servitude. This isn't a good situation for US citizens or visa workers.

If the laws are fixed by, for instance, making it far easier to switch jobs on a visa, H1B workers will be treated a lot better. Demand for visa workers will probably drop somewhat but it will be more in line with what the visa program was made for: to hire talent not slaves.

Re: H-1B Visas: U.S. Lawmaker Re-Introduces Bill to Tighten Rules

#42

Post by throw345hn »

One of the problems with the highest bidder approach its going to favor senior devs. This is good thing but you also have to look at graduates who have come to the US to study and may not be able to earn that much immediately but are just as likely to earn a lot more in a few years. If the ruling forces them to move them, then it will result in draining the talent.

Re: H-1B Visas: U.S. Lawmaker Re-Introduces Bill to Tighten Rules

#43

Post by diogenescynic »

suryacom wrote: post #27

On one talks about the actual issue with the H1B. I'm a H1B holder from India, living and working in USA for past 10 years. The actual incentive for companies is that, an H1B holder from India has less rights, they cannot change job or even travel freely outside USA (for decades). That gives the employers full control of the employee. Any guess why companies only recruit from India and China? Because, the country bas…

>Immigration Attorneys are making a fortune of this broken system

Those same law firms hire lobbyists to make sure the system remains complicated and inefficient. Also, all the law firms that service tech companies have almost 100% of the work done by recent college grads for very low pay. Ever wondered why your L-1/H-1/I-140 support letter has so many errors? It's because it was a generic template that some recent college grad spent an hour on and you paid $3000 for an attorney to sign the G-28 form. Oh, and many immigration lawyers haven't even passed the Bar exam for the state they practice in--they can practice having passed the Bar in any state. These are the bottom of the barrel law jobs, IMHO.

Re: H-1B Visas: U.S. Lawmaker Re-Introduces Bill to Tighten Rules

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Post by forrestthewoods »

throw345hn wrote: post #42

One of the problems with the highest bidder approach its going to favor senior devs. This is good thing but you also have to look at graduates who have come to the US to study and may not be able to earn that much immediately but are just as likely to earn a lot more in a few years. If the ruling forces them to move them, then it will result in draining the talent.

Agreed. It would be absurd to open our universities to foreign talent only to deny them local jobs.

Re: H-1B Visas: U.S. Lawmaker Re-Introduces Bill to Tighten Rules

#45

Post by steverb »

learc83 wrote: post #26
xname2 wrote: post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Exactly. I am in Arkansas, $100k is crazy, only a director of a big department can make this kind of money.

Really, a senior dev can't make $100k with bonuses? You should come to Atlanta. Only about a 15% higher cost of living than Little Rock, and you can definitely make $100k as a senior developer.

Heck, come to Knoxville TN. Lower cost of living and 100K is fairly easily attainable for a senior dev.

Re: H-1B Visas: U.S. Lawmaker Re-Introduces Bill to Tighten Rules

#46

Post by usernametbd »

suryacom wrote: post #37
tn13 wrote: post #34

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Any time I change my job, green card process has to be restarted from square one..more cash to attorneys. That is not true. Visa can be transferred in mere 15 days. Why dont you change jobs?

Visa can be transferred. But, Green Card process has to be restarted from the square one; that is +10k for attorney.

> Green Card process has to be restarted from the square one

That's not fully true AFAIK. The green card (GC) is a 3-step process - PERM, I-140 and GC itself.

If you already have your I-140, unless your previous employer cancels your I-140 (which cost them a few thousand dollars), your new employer can just start over the third step of the process. This is not optimal, sure, but it is not square one either.

Re: H-1B Visas: U.S. Lawmaker Re-Introduces Bill to Tighten Rules

#47

Post by vecinu »

outworlder wrote: post #25
user5994461 wrote: post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The only way to have proper wages for H1B is to allow workers to change company. Right now, the H1B workers have zero leverage power, zero negotiation power and they can't change job.

They can. It's harder than what it would be for a permanent resident, but they can, as there is a grace period. Maybe you are thinking of L1?

There is no grace period when you're terminated from an H-1B. There might be one January 17th if it doesn't get revoked but right now officially you have 0 days to leave the country, no?

Re: H-1B Visas: U.S. Lawmaker Re-Introduces Bill to Tighten Rules

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Post by findjashua »

The real problem with H1B, that outsourcing firms exploit, is the lottery system. Issa's proposal doesn't address that problem. Zoe Lofgren's bill, which replaces the lottery with a salary ranking system, would be much more effective, in my opinion.

http://money.cnn.com/2017/01/06/technology/h1b-reform-bill/

Re: H-1B Visas: U.S. Lawmaker Re-Introduces Bill to Tighten Rules

#49

Post by vecinu »

gozur88 wrote: post #30
user5994461 wrote: post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The only way to have proper wages for H1B is to allow workers to change company. Right now, the H1B workers have zero leverage power, zero negotiation power and they can't change job.

That's no longer true.

The new 60 days grace period rule has not gone into effect yet so it is still true at this moment.

Re: H-1B Visas: U.S. Lawmaker Re-Introduces Bill to Tighten Rules

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Post by baloneyman »

diogenescynic wrote: post #43
suryacom wrote: post #27

On one talks about the actual issue with the H1B. I'm a H1B holder from India, living and working in USA for past 10 years. The actual incentive for companies is that, an H1B holder from India has less rights, they cannot change job or even travel freely outside USA (for decades). That gives the employers full control of the employee. Any guess why companies only recruit from India and China? Because, the country bas…

>Immigration Attorneys are making a fortune of this broken system Those same law firms hire lobbyists to make sure the system remains complicated and inefficient. Also, all the law firms that service tech companies have almost 100% of the work done by recent college grads for very low pay. Ever wondered why your L-1/H-1/I-140 support letter has so many errors? It's because it was a generic template that some recent c…

I guess it depends on your perspective. Is it the older workers who rake in enormous paychecks for incrementally far less work or is it younger workers who work for much less to make a name for themselves and establish their career?
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