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What does this have to do with h GitHub?
JIRA + Bitbucket (and now + Trello) is a very effective competitor to Github among enterprise companies. Github's issue tracker sort of sucks and this hurts it tremendously -- I know as I live with that shitty issue tracker in an enterprise situation.
So Fog Creek - makers of Fogbugz, which lost out bigtime to JIRA - have now sold Trello to Atlassian? Is there nothing left of Fogbugz?
It is kind of a shame, I found the way the filters on Fogbugz to be a pretty interesting interface.
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> Jira is the least-worst option for running a project at any team size. If anyone here has ever been confused by the expression "damning with faint praise", I hope this is an illustrative example.
No it's really not. "Damning with faint praise" is when, say, you've just effusively praised something else, and then say that the alternative is pretty good. The "least-worst option" means it's not good, but all the alternatives are terrible. That's not damning.
> Damning with faint praise is an English idiom for words that effectively condemn by seeming to offer praise which is too moderate or marginal to be considered praise at all.
Which seems about right to me.
It's like writing an employee a letter of reference, and only saying that they're very punctual - meaning that there's nothing else good about them, other than the bare minimum of bothering to show up at work.
It seems to me that saying it's only good by comparison to how awful everything else is falls into this.
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Funny how much opinions can differ. I've used them both professionally and I think Trello scales poorly above 5-10 people while Jira is the least-worst option for running a project at any team size.
> Jira is the least-worst option for running a project at any team size. If anyone here has ever been confused by the expression "damning with faint praise", I hope this is an illustrative example.
This is a great acquistion for both parties. 1. Trello was smart in only taking $10M in VC funding [1]. This allows for a 40x return for it's investors. If Trello were like many other startups, they probably would have taken too much VC money and got themselves in a situation where the VC wouldn't sell unless it was $2B+. 2. Atlassian now has a product that is loved by many developers and business people alike. It wi…
Trello wasn't "smart" for only taking $10M in funding (and only in one, late, round, which means it only gave away probably 20-30% equity.)
Trello happened to be spun off from an established company, which took care of financing initial product development and growth. This is equivalent to the founders financing maybe a $1.5M round and a $4M round from their own pocket.
Don't try to beat Trello's benchmark in funding strategy, unless you happen to be able to finance the first few rounds from your own pocket.
> 2. Atlassian now has a product that [.] will easily be interegrated into their existing stack and it complements their products very well.
Atlassian would be wise to keep this integration from being too tight. Trello shines as the most general project management tool out there (except maybe a spreadsheet, although that is the one thing I can't bear to do with a spreadsheet), and if it became a developer-centric collaboration tool I for one would probably stop using it, even for collaboration among developers.
Trello has apparently about 19 million users. And I would bet that the majority of them are not the typical target audience of Atlassian products (i.e. software development teams). So I wonder if they are mostly aquiring the user base here in order to expand their potential market?
Just to add my 2 cents, I've worked with a dev team that used Trello for project coordination.
What was your experience like?
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Trello was ridiculously cheap. I think you're totally out of luck if you expect anybody to make a clone that's cheaper.
$10/user/mo for Trello seems pretty expensive to me. It's a very basic product.
I'm a big fan of Trello but I dread using Atlassian products. I do not have a good feeling about this. Hopefully Atlassian can learn from what makes Trello so wonderful instead of JIRA-ifying it into oblivion.
Funny how much opinions can differ. I've used them both professionally and I think Trello scales poorly above 5-10 people while Jira is the least-worst option for running a project at any team size.
Just to prepare: Does anyone have a way of exporting Trello data?
There's also a Chrome extension to export a board to a spreadsheet: https://chrome.google.com/webstore/detail/export-for-trello/....