I don't get this. VW (and other car manufacturers) did NOT cheat. Their cars have (AFAIK) passed all the emission tests required. Do they produce more emissions outside the test envelope? You cry on wrong grave then...
F.B.I. Arrests Volkswagen Executive on Conspiracy Charges in Emissions Scandal
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#52Earlier quoted context omitted.
If this blows up it's over for most german car manufacturers. They sold a lot of diesel cars, and most of them probably have some hacks to meet Euro standards. They should be forced to fix all cars, reimburse buyers for any losses, and be forced(!) to go green asap (which probably means at least 10 years, so yeah there should be some force)!
It seems to be game over for diesel cars in general, even if you ignore their eventual replacement with electric cars. They have been getting a lot of bad press lately. Their popularity was due to their higher fuel efficiency; But for diesels, it seems that there is trade-off between fuel efficiency and NOx emissions ( http://www.livescience.com/52284-volkswagen-scandal-clean-di... ). With many cities and countries t…
The modern highly-compressed Gasoline Direct Injection engines are a potent source of soot, though. Eg http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0301679X15...
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#53I don't get this. VW (and other car manufacturers) did NOT cheat. Their cars have (AFAIK) passed all the emission tests required. Do they produce more emissions outside the test envelope? You cry on wrong grave then...
VW did cheat, the cars produce more emissions when not being tested, and it looks like their executives lied about it.
http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2015/business/internation...
Re: F.B.I. Arrests Volkswagen Executive on Conspiracy Charges in Emissions Scandal
#54I don't get this. VW (and other car manufacturers) did NOT cheat. Their cars have (AFAIK) passed all the emission tests required. Do they produce more emissions outside the test envelope? You cry on wrong grave then...
Cars aren't only required to pass emissions tests, they're required to have their emissions within the specified limits at all times. The purpose of the tests is to ensure compliance.
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#55I wonder if the same would have happened to an American company in the USA. If so, what's the deal with the bankers that did orders of magnitude more damage?
It would be interesting to see the opposite too, an American GM or Ford executive being arrested in Europe.
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#56I don't get this. VW (and other car manufacturers) did NOT cheat. Their cars have (AFAIK) passed all the emission tests required. Do they produce more emissions outside the test envelope? You cry on wrong grave then...
VW did cheat, the cars produce more emissions when not being tested, and it looks like their executives lied about it. http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2015/business/internation...
And when no one is watching we are invisible!
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#57Most amazing is that in Europe VW does not have to pay anything. And car owners are forced to do a software update that reduces engine power and increases risk of malfunction. VW never again.
Not true. see spain.
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#58Earlier quoted context omitted.
Pollution is murder (statistically).
Making cars is "statistical murder". Bad schools are "statistical murder". Selling cheesecake is "statistical murder". Enforce the laws you have to help keeping honest people honest, but please do not selectively blow individual cases out of proportion with gut appeal tactics.
All these examples are regulated by laws that control the extent of damage done. Clearly the society believes that the existence of these is, after accounting for the positive and negative effects, better than nonexistence. But, skirting the laws in most of these cases can result in harm/death, and should be treaded as such (e.g. selling cars with faulty brakes, selling cakes with too much trans fats... a bit harder to say for schooling noone has really figured out how to do it well on a large scale).
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#59I don't get this. VW (and other car manufacturers) did NOT cheat. Their cars have (AFAIK) passed all the emission tests required. Do they produce more emissions outside the test envelope? You cry on wrong grave then...
Cars aren't only required to pass emissions tests, they're required to have their emissions within the specified limits at all times. The purpose of the tests is to ensure compliance.
/sarc?
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#60A lot of compliance tests are like this. Most companies run different software during tests than they would in the field and are just expected to have the product behave similarly in good faith.
It's one of the best arguments for open source firmware IMO.