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Ask HN: Bootstrapped US founders, who do you use for health insurance?

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Re: Ask HN: Bootstrapped US founders, who do you use for health insurance?

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If you don't qualify for any subsidy, you should definitely just purchase health insurance directly through the carrier. I initially purchased insurance via CoveredCA (no subsidy) and they just acted as a middleman between my family and Blue Shield without providing any benefit.

Thanks that's great advice. It seems there is absolutely zero discounts using CoveredCA when you earn more than $50,000 a year.

Re: Ask HN: Bootstrapped US founders, who do you use for health insurance?

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> You have to be near poverty (equivalent in bay area) to get any government assistance. Assistance is for those who need it, not those who willingly choose to live in a high COI area. It is possible to live in CA on $50k/year. Would you pay that assistance back if you had a liquidity event? Probably not.

I'd prefer to not get into a political discussion, but once I get on a health care plan, my full premiums will be subsidizing others, so where's my money back when I don't use any of my health care benefits? Also, you think it's fair that somebody who makes $55,000 pays the same amount for health insurance as somebody that makes $500,000 a year?

where's my money back when I don't use any of my health care benefits?

I don't think you've fully grasped the concept of "insurance".

Re: Ask HN: Bootstrapped US founders, who do you use for health insurance?

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Get a spouse who works and is gracious enough to pay for your health insurance via his/her company plan :-) That's how I do it, but this probably puts me in the "lucky" category...

Seeking spouse with good health insurance plan...

Re: Ask HN: Bootstrapped US founders, who do you use for health insurance?

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That is what the high deductible insurance or health savings account is for.

i can't contribute to an HSA without subscribing to a high deductible plan. " basically a membership in a clinic where you pay a monthly fee in order to get cheap access to your doctor... The monthly fee is substantially less than typical health insurance premiums." But... I still need a high-deductible plan to contribute to an HSA to deal with catastrophic issues anyway. high deductible plans are putting colleagues…

Well, you are only giving me partial info here. I am not sure if you merely want to shoot down what I am saying or just what. I have found this if you actually want info:

https://directprimarycarejournal.com/2014/06/08/how-does-dir...

Re: Ask HN: Bootstrapped US founders, who do you use for health insurance?

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This is something I've been looking into for the last few weeks for my 3 person NYC based startup. All of the options through the exchanges/brokers are laughable. If you are young and healthy, a catastrophic plan might be your best bet. I was paying ~$125 a month for Oscar last year. Coverage only kicked in after ~$6600, but I was just looking for something that covered me from an IRS/penalty perspective. The premium went up ~33%, but sadly that is still my best bet without a company plan.

We just signed up for JustWorks, a PEO, primarily because their healthcare plans are much cheaper than going direct to brokers as a 3 person company. They require 2 people though so if you are solo I don't think this is an option for you.

Re: Ask HN: Bootstrapped US founders, who do you use for health insurance?

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> My understanding is that health insurance originated in this country as a means to plump up employee compensation in a situation where paying more wages was not desirable. You could not entice good employees by offering them a pay raise because it bumped them up into another tax bracket and it just wasn't worth it to them. But the way health insurance got handled, if you offered them a benefits package, it increase…

Thanks. I am considering doing a new piece because I get a lot of flack over details like that while people generally seem to miss the point relevant to our lives today that DPC is a legal alternative under the ACA and a genuinely better solution. I am frustrated and not sure what I need to do differently to get that across effectively. Edit: Feel free to nitpick this version: http://micheleincalifornia.blogspot.com/…

Sorry, I didn't mean for my comment to be taken as a criticism of the overall piece but rather a nitpick of that particular paragraph.

I agree that separating disaster/catastrophic coverage (ie: insurance ) from routine things like doctor visits (ie: health care ) is a good thing. I was aware of HDHP and HSA for the former but I did not know about DPC until you brought it to my attention with this comment thread.

Thank you.

Re: Ask HN: Bootstrapped US founders, who do you use for health insurance?

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Does that include subsidies? I would assume, based on your income as a founder, that you'd qualify for subsidies for plans on healthcare.gov. If you don't (>$60-70k/year income), even high deductible plans are in that monthly range you quoted (my individual high deductible marketplace plan went from ~$290/month to ~$500/month [$9000 deductible], so my wife, daughter, and I are now on a PPO plan at $1300/month).

Any income greater than $50,000 a year does not qualify for any California assistance. $50,000 a year is completely unlivable where I live in the bay area. You have to be near poverty (bay area) to get any government assistance.

And yet many people somehow manage to live in the Bay Area on $50K per year. It's not comfortable but it's certainly possible. Most of us don't get to live exactly where we want to.

Re: Ask HN: Bootstrapped US founders, who do you use for health insurance?

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A little off topic but I decided to look this up.

What would taxes be if we compared the US to Canada?

Using the following two tools: https://simpletax.ca/calculator https://smartasset.com/taxes/california-tax-calculator

For 50k a year in British Colombia for Canada and California for the US I get the following:

BC: $8,372 CA: $11,112

At 100k with 18k contributed to 401k/RRSP the numbers are 17.5K and 25.8k for BC and CA.

Unless I missed typed something because it's late we Americans are getting a raw deal. I realize Canada has VAT, but CA has very high sales taxes and I did not include the cost of an exchange plan. What you are looking is the Income and FICA taxes alone.

Re: Ask HN: Bootstrapped US founders, who do you use for health insurance?

#30

If you don't qualify for any subsidy, you should definitely just purchase health insurance directly through the carrier. I initially purchased insurance via CoveredCA (no subsidy) and they just acted as a middleman between my family and Blue Shield without providing any benefit.

Thanks that's great advice. It seems there is absolutely zero discounts using CoveredCA when you earn more than $50,000 a year.

Use your 'company' to pay for your expenses and draw less than $50,000 as salary. Problem solved.
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