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Re: I made my son cannabis cookies. They changed his life

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Post by throwaway729 »

gravypod wrote: post #174

If you're ok with this, ask yourself if you'd be ok wih a parent giving a kid bourbon to put it asleep. This used to be a common household trick before people decided it was probably not a good idea. Granted I think the war on drugs is stupid but I also think a failed parent shouldn't be the one championing the anti-war-on-drugs movement as that's only going to give the opposition ammunition. I'm also not a developme…

> I'm also not a developmental psychologist or a medical professional but I don't think this is the best thing for a young developing mind.

TBF the parents did talk with a neurologist and medical experts at Brown, which is hardly a backwater.

I understand what you're saying, but I also think that this is a tough parenting decision that should be left to the parent and their family doctor.

Experimenting with dosage and type in a home pharma lab is pretty terrible. The people refusing to reschedule marijuana despite widespread medical support really are terribly evil for putting a parent in that situation...

Re: I made my son cannabis cookies. They changed his life

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Post by Broken_Hippo »

shoefly wrote: post #203

A great article. There is one thing the author got wrong. Pot IS addictive. My brother can't go more than 3 hours w/o smoking it. If he does, he starts to sweat like crazy. He once went an entire weekend without it and he had a very rough time.

Pot isn't physically addictive, though. Those things are his brain causing the symptoms.

Seriously. I've smoked heavily for years, with sudden breaks, and at most I get a couple days of off appetite and bad sleep. No big deal.

I've met exactly one person that had withdrawals from pot: In his case, he was self-medicating with it. It wasn't that he got withdrawals from pot, but that mental illness simply reared its head more when he stopped.

Re: I made my son cannabis cookies. They changed his life

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Post by nickik »

adventured wrote: post #218
PerfectElement wrote: post #211

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Brazil alone must have had more than 150,000 deaths attributed to drug trafficking in the last 30 years.

Blaming that on the US is absurd. The US does not control Latin America. If it did, the Socialist & Communist movements that have been persistent there for so many decades would have never existed to begin with. The premise is thus: every nation in North and South America must perfectly legalize all illegal drugs across the board for use, production and distribution ( any imperfect law structures could cause illegal…

The US is not responsable for all, but its absolutely clear that the US is willing to take diplomatic action against countries that try to change direction. This is specially true in Latin America.

The US has active military operation against drug production all over Latin America.

Plus the US is responsable for the massive demand that drives a lot of these activities.

Re: I made my son cannabis cookies. They changed his life

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Post by gravypod »

throwaway729 wrote: post #231
gravypod wrote: post #174

If you're ok with this, ask yourself if you'd be ok wih a parent giving a kid bourbon to put it asleep. This used to be a common household trick before people decided it was probably not a good idea. Granted I think the war on drugs is stupid but I also think a failed parent shouldn't be the one championing the anti-war-on-drugs movement as that's only going to give the opposition ammunition. I'm also not a developme…

> I'm also not a developmental psychologist or a medical professional but I don't think this is the best thing for a young developing mind. TBF the parents did talk with a neurologist and medical experts at Brown, which is hardly a backwater. I understand what you're saying, but I also think that this is a tough parenting decision that should be left to the parent and their family doctor. Experimenting with dosage an…

> Experimenting with dosage and type in a home pharma lab is pretty terrible. The people refusing to reschedule marijuana despite widespread medical support really are terribly evil for putting a parent in that situation...

I agree on all accounts.

> TBF the parents did talk with a neurologist and medical experts at Brown, which is hardly a backwater.

> I understand what you're saying, but I also think that this is a tough parenting decision that should be left to the parent and their family doctor.

I did see that and I didn't read that until after I wrote the post. I mainly kept my post up in whole (despite my edit at the end) because I don't belive in covering up my mistakes.

My position given the new information isn't exactly as hardline. I don't think they are moraly or ethically at fault but I think their methods are very flawed. Just trying random things at home isn't a good idea.

I'd rather have seen them contact, and I know this is going to sound really stupid, but someone who is an expert at creation these confections. Going to someone who works with canabis every day at a medical dispencary (or even writing them and CCing your doctor who talked with you) would have probably lead to better results. It's still very irresponcible to just mix and match with a person's life.

I wouldn't want someone who couldn't consent entering drug trials so I wouldn't want someone doing it to their kid. But then again it ended up going well.... this time that is. If it happens again and someone mentally scars their kid then I think people won't be too happy with it then.

All that being said (and I think this needs to be spelled out) I don't think what I think should influence the parent in this case. I don't belive in interference unless directly requested by an effected party. That's just butting your nose into some place you don't belong.

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Post by wsgeorge »

spiderfarmer wrote: post #224
maw wrote: post #167

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You mean like https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/War_on_Poverty ? Good luck.

No, more like: Spend all defense budgets around the world on programs that reduce poverty, increase health and functioning governments.

I don't see that happening. Because someone is going to want to keep their guns, just in case.

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Post by czep »

portent wrote: post #199
morgante wrote: post #188

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> Terrorists are an existential threat Give me a break. I've never heard a more hyperbolic statement even from diehard warmongers. There is no conceivable way that terrorists threaten our national existence/security. Even several orders of magnitude more attacks a year would be barely a blip in terms of actual casualties.

Terrorists do threaten national security, but very rarely provide an existential threat. It's hard to imagine a terrorist group causing the collapse of the USA.

> It's hard to imagine a terrorist group causing the collapse of the USA.

It's actually not that hard to imagine: dirty bomb set off in midtown Manhattan, kills thousands and sickens tens of thousands. In its hasty reply, the US launches a massive counterstrike against somewhere based on shoddy intel. Putin says, oh hell no, and red buttons are pushed. That's game over folks.

Re: I made my son cannabis cookies. They changed his life

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Post by wsgeorge »

morgante wrote: post #188
darpa_escapee wrote: post #170

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Terrorists are an existential threat, but our society doesn't have just one bogeyman: they are around every corner to scare us into doing things we wouldn't normally do. Remember, the terrorists manufacture drugs to sell to us and if you buy drugs you are supporting terrorism. That said, I think it might subside for different reasons. The demographics of drug addiction are changing. Addictive drug use went from being…

> Terrorists are an existential threat Give me a break. I've never heard a more hyperbolic statement even from diehard warmongers. There is no conceivable way that terrorists threaten our national existence/security. Even several orders of magnitude more attacks a year would be barely a blip in terms of actual casualties.

> There is no conceivable way that terrorists threaten our national existence/security.

This statement surprises me. Especially your talk of casualties. I think you miss something important about "terrorism". It is far more than raw casualty numbers. It is about the "fear and uncertainty" they generate in a populace. And that, to me, is a threat to any modern nation's existence, in a world whose economy depends a lot on things like "confidence" and "optimism".

Perhaps I misunderstand developed nations, but from my point of view, your statement seems alarmingly absurd.

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Post by morgante »

wsgeorge wrote: post #237
morgante wrote: post #188

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Terrorists are an existential threat Give me a break. I've never heard a more hyperbolic statement even from diehard warmongers. There is no conceivable way that terrorists threaten our national existence/security. Even several orders of magnitude more attacks a year would be barely a blip in terms of actual casualties.

> There is no conceivable way that terrorists threaten our national existence/security. This statement surprises me. Especially your talk of casualties. I think you miss something important about "terrorism". It is far more than raw casualty numbers. It is about the "fear and uncertainty" they generate in a populace. And that, to me, is a threat to any modern nation's existence, in a world whose economy depends a lot…

What's the conceivable scenario where even heightened levels of "fear and uncertainty" lead to the collapse of the USA?

Also keep in mind that people are already extraordinarily pessimistic and unconfident about the country.

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Post by Mithaldu »

gravypod wrote: post #228
Mithaldu wrote: post #194

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Man, i remember your name, and thought you'd be a little smarter than to attack the parent before even having read the article.

I don't think it's not smart to have a misunderstanding or an assumption. I was wrong and definetly will own up to that but from the first 2 paragraphs I assumed this was going the "I just assumed this would be a good thing". The article really takes a turn after the first few paragraphs and morally muddles the situation to where there isn't a right answer. But yea, you're right. Was bad to jump to a conclusion.

I appreciate the owning up. That's a good thing.

As for the "smart": I consider the ability to recognize when one does not have sufficient information to have a useful opinion to be smartness. :)

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Post by grzm »

morgante wrote: post #238
wsgeorge wrote: post #237

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> There is no conceivable way that terrorists threaten our national existence/security. This statement surprises me. Especially your talk of casualties. I think you miss something important about "terrorism". It is far more than raw casualty numbers. It is about the "fear and uncertainty" they generate in a populace. And that, to me, is a threat to any modern nation's existence, in a world whose economy depends a lot…

What's the conceivable scenario where even heightened levels of "fear and uncertainty" lead to the collapse of the USA? Also keep in mind that people are already extraordinarily pessimistic and unconfident about the country.

How do you define "collapse of the USA"? Dissolution? Fall of the government? Effective dictatorship? Widespread police state? Something else?
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