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First Nokia-branded Android smartphone to be released exclusively in China

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Re: First Nokia-branded Android smartphone to be released exclusively in China

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Post by zerr »

pjmlp wrote: post #23
ploggingdev wrote: post #12

It was sad to see the decline of Nokia from being the most ubiquitous brand of phones to literally nothing today (in the smartphone and feature phone market). If they had adopted Android instead of going with Windows Phone, things could have been a lot better. Even when they made Windows Phone devices, at least the high end devices where critically acclaimed with everyone's only gripe only being Windows Phone (mainly…

As former employee, I doubt it would made any difference. Symbian was a pain to develop for, went through multiple stack changes that pissed off developers. Then there were the internal fights between the Symbian and Maemo units. Things were already bad before Microsoft joined in.

Not sure, if Nokia didn't abandon Qt as mobile SDK and corresponding OS, today it might have been in a totally different shape.

Re: First Nokia-branded Android smartphone to be released exclusively in China

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Post by vvanders »

mdasen wrote: post #21
ploggingdev wrote: post #12

It was sad to see the decline of Nokia from being the most ubiquitous brand of phones to literally nothing today (in the smartphone and feature phone market). If they had adopted Android instead of going with Windows Phone, things could have been a lot better. Even when they made Windows Phone devices, at least the high end devices where critically acclaimed with everyone's only gripe only being Windows Phone (mainly…

It is sad, but I don't think it was the Microsoft deal that did Nokia in. Nokia had already been left behind when they finally realized that Symbian wasn't going to cut it against iOS and Android. I think they made a calculated decision: they could try and create an Android device to compete against the likes of Samsung, HTC, Motorola, and LG with basically no differentiation -OR- they could take Microsoft's money an…

> Samsung can make its own displays and chips and that advantage has ground a lot of the competition to dust. LG makes its own displays. Facing this, HTC (who had a nice Android business) has really struggled.

That actually wasn't the main contributing factor since MSRP was pretty similar at the time. Samsung instead spent millions on marketing. Supposedly they were going to Verizon salespeople and offering ~$20 per Galaxy sold. Guess which one they pushed at the stores?

Re: First Nokia-branded Android smartphone to be released exclusively in China

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Post by philliphaydon »

gtirloni wrote: post #38
bostand wrote: post #25

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't think you have ever used a Lumia 800. While inferior to SII on paper, it was significantly better in actual use. It sold okay, but was abandoned by Microsoft and never updated past 8.3

I really like my Lumia 925 and the lack of apps was not of problem for me. The apps that mattered were all there. What bothered me was that vendors didn't bother updating those apps or giving it feature parity. When I dropped it for nth time and the display went dead, I bought a Moto G and have been happy with it (gave the G3 away and bought a G4 recently). I miss Windows Phone, it was a really nice and fast OS and i…

I went Android > iPhone 4, HTC HD7, Lumia 900, Lumia 925, Note 4, iPhone 6s+, iPhone 7+.

My iPhone 4 was terrible. Replaced 3 times because it kept breaking (drops calls randomly, random reboots)

But I've had nothing but terrible experience with Android. The first month is fine then it slows down to a grinding halt...

My windows phones to date are still the best phone experience. But MS didn't release the newest phones in Singapore so I went iPhone.

I'm basically an iPhone convert now. 0 issues. No slow downs. Just rock solid phone.

My flat mate had nothing but androids and thee I the towel with the nexus 6 for an iPhone 6s+ and now he refuses to touch Android again.

I don't understand Android popularity.

(Personal opinion)

Re: First Nokia-branded Android smartphone to be released exclusively in China

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Post by pjmlp »

zerr wrote: post #41
pjmlp wrote: post #23

Earlier quoted context omitted.

As former employee, I doubt it would made any difference. Symbian was a pain to develop for, went through multiple stack changes that pissed off developers. Then there were the internal fights between the Symbian and Maemo units. Things were already bad before Microsoft joined in.

Not sure, if Nokia didn't abandon Qt as mobile SDK and corresponding OS, today it might have been in a totally different shape.

Back when Nokia abandoned Qt, we still needed to write #ifdef Symbian in lots of places.

It wasn't as easy as writing GNU/Linux applications.

Re: First Nokia-branded Android smartphone to be released exclusively in China

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Post by [deleted] »

zerr wrote: post #41
pjmlp wrote: post #23

Earlier quoted context omitted.

As former employee, I doubt it would made any difference. Symbian was a pain to develop for, went through multiple stack changes that pissed off developers. Then there were the internal fights between the Symbian and Maemo units. Things were already bad before Microsoft joined in.

Not sure, if Nokia didn't abandon Qt as mobile SDK and corresponding OS, today it might have been in a totally different shape.

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Re: First Nokia-branded Android smartphone to be released exclusively in China

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Post by rodgerd »

hsivonen wrote: post #46

Still waiting for an Android vendor to differentiate by matching Apple in the length of time a given device gets security patches for the software.

Closest I've seen is Sony.

The problem is reliance on Qualcomm, who have always hated GPL software, and their driver support shows it.

Re: First Nokia-branded Android smartphone to be released exclusively in China

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Post by hsivonen »

rodgerd wrote: post #47
hsivonen wrote: post #46

Still waiting for an Android vendor to differentiate by matching Apple in the length of time a given device gets security patches for the software.

Closest I've seen is Sony. The problem is reliance on Qualcomm, who have always hated GPL software, and their driver support shows it.

For how long do Sony phones get security updates? Are they at least monthly as with Nexus/Pixel?

Re: First Nokia-branded Android smartphone to be released exclusively in China

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Post by remir »

hsivonen wrote: post #46

Still waiting for an Android vendor to differentiate by matching Apple in the length of time a given device gets security patches for the software.

Imagine if you had to wait for HP or Acer to update your Windows PC. How terrible would that be. Nvidia, AMD and Intel stop making new drivers because they want to sell new chips, OEM stop making updates because they want to sell new machines. Truly crappy model.

But this is what we have with Android phones. Qualcomm is not compiling new kernels past 2 year because they want to sell new chips and OEM don't bother updating their phones because, hey, here's a new model!

Re: First Nokia-branded Android smartphone to be released exclusively in China

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Post by antoniuschan99 »

Nokinside wrote: post #39

HMD Global is Finnish company behind these phones, Nokia provides the brand and huge patent portfolio in exchange of royalty payments. Nokia did not invest into this company. Third big player behind the scenes is Foxconn Technology Group. They bought all Microsoft/Nokia phone manufacturing plants, and they will build these phones. This provides them the opportunity to diversify their customer base.

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