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I made my son cannabis cookies. They changed his life

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Re: I made my son cannabis cookies. They changed his life

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Post by sakabaro »

Allowing MJ with other drugs is a no brainer. I also very glad the author found a way to help his son and it should be let alone. However, saying things like that is not very responsible:

> But Lester Grinspoon, a psychiatrist and professor at Harvard Medical School who has been researching cannabis since the 1960s, reassured me that the worst we could do was make our son fall asleep.

One study had shown that even if there is no long term effect on adults on IQ, teenagers experience on average 10% less IQ than no consumers - even after stopped completely taken it for years. Another study has shown that if you are DNA predisposed - less than 3% of the population - MJ can induce schizophrenia reshaping the brain long term even after years after taking it. I don't fully get this is not common knowledge. Maybe, this is not hype enough and people want to not being perceived as reactionary. But, facts are facts.

Re: I made my son cannabis cookies. They changed his life

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Post by jolux »

daveguy wrote: post #144
JoeAltmaier wrote: post #134

Earlier quoted context omitted.

All very easy to say, safely in your house away from your loved child in pain with 600+ violent outbursts a day. Every parent has only one subject; every child raising is a trial. You only have one chance and have to choose one approach. This drug is used worldwide by maybe a billion people. Scaremongering is unhelpful.

Cowboy drug trials on children are scary. No need for scaremongering. Aspirin is used by billions of people and it's dangerous to give to children. She obviously has no clue how to manage safe dosing for a trial and that is ignorant and dangerous. Just because it's natural and everyone's doing it doesn't mean it's safe: hemlock is natural, "everyone" used to smoke cigarettes.

>Just because it's natural and everyone's doing it doesn't mean it's safe: hemlock is natural, "everyone" used to smoke cigarettes

But nobody is actually arguing that it's safe because it's natural. You don't have to, the data is conclusive: it is nigh on impossible to die of marijuana usage no matter what your age is. There are few other substances in a home that that can be said of.

Whatever you think the long term side effects would be it would seem pretty damn hard for them to outweigh the unceasing agony of this child's existence without marijuana. And as has been said numerous times before, everything major has already been ruled out so long term effects are not going to be catastrophic on the level of regret when you consider how much this child's quality of life has been improved.

Marijuana is used by millions of people and is probably safer than aspirin. Granted if you're breathing weed smoke instead of air 24/7 you probably won't fare too well but that's not what's happening here: small amounts, carefully tested on adults, of a substance scientifically believed to be safe. (which cigarettes never were on this order)

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Post by pandaman »

jchendy wrote: post #43
Vosporos wrote: post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yeah, so they could target communists, black panthers and pacifists :/

Just in case anybody doesn't believe you: http://www.cnn.com/2016/03/23/politics/john-ehrlichman-richa...

Just in case somebody believes you:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Opium_Wars

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cannabis_in_Egypt#Ottoman_peri...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cannabis_in_Singapore

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_Opium_Convention

There are also references of the ban in Turkey and Greece in 1890 everywhere but without good sources.

The above should be enough to realize that that different nations made various drugs illegal without the US influence and without intention to oppress black panthers and communists.

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Post by mythrwy »

sv123 wrote: post #130
exwebtina wrote: post #85

I recall in 70s/80s Denmark and Netherlands made pot legal in parts of Amsterdam and Copenhagen. The areas quickly turned into dumps. I'm fine with Slab City but do we wan't this for all of US?

Washington, Colorado, Oregon, DC... No reports of turning into complete dumps yet.

Arguably parts of Washington were a dump already.

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Post by ericzawo »

thesmallestcat wrote: post #18
gragas wrote: post #13

I'm for the legalization of marijuana, but I really hate the arguments these articles present in favor of it; I'm sure your raging 9-year-old kid would chill out on a strong dose of heroin, too. We should not falsely elevate marijuana as some wonder drug. Surely, there's a better argument that can be presented for legalization?

This article is propaganda. It doesn't contain any interesting data, just a rehash of the policy landscape and a single, heart string-tugging anecdote.

Perhaps you ought to reread the definition of the word you're confusing this opinion article with.

Re: I made my son cannabis cookies. They changed his life

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Post by wolfspider »

I find it strange in this story that anyone would suggest Risperdal for a child. Risperdal is an antipsychotic which comes with long term neuroleptic damage to the person taking it (flat affect, shuffles, etc..). I had a rather unsuccessful time with Abilify which is prescribed to people with depression but also comes with the same drawbacks. I somehow got a neuroleptic disease from taking it called 'akinesia' which I can only describe as a living hell. I promptly quit taking it and the disease ran its course. Psychiatry is in its dark ages and in a lot of cases does more harm than good. The harm just can't be immediately seen or measured and we tend to write the patients off as hyperbolic.

Re: I made my son cannabis cookies. They changed his life

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Post by artpepper »

edblarney wrote: post #136
deepnotderp wrote: post #127

Earlier quoted context omitted.

1) And jailing addicts is supposed to help? 2) the infinitely more dangerous threat,which you accurately described, is opioids...yet ask an average high schooler and they'll tell you they were taught weed is so evil... 3) oh, and lack of health insurance kills more people in the US than cocaine

1) 'Jail' - I never said they should jail them. But they should jail the dealers, yes. Moreover, 'required rehab' would be beneficial. In Canada (a prison in Ottawa, specifically) if you 'go in' an opioid addict, the actually give you 3 doses of methodone a day. A friend of mine in there for a few days (small thing) described them as insane zombies, banging on the door to the clinic when it was almost time for their…

(3) isn't a completely separate issue. Incarceration sucks up a lot of public funds that could go toward treatment programs.

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Post by sroerick »

milesf wrote: post #74
patrickaljord wrote: post #3

The war on drugs is probably one of the biggest crime against humanity since WW2 with millions of deaths, millions in prisons, and trillions of dollars and human resources wasted, mostly affecting the poor and minorities everywhere. This needs to stop. Sadly, it looks like it will go on for a few more decades.

The United States always needs an enemy. Hitler, communism, Russia, Viet Cong, acid rain, drugs, them... The war on drugs might subside because of the perfect enemy they have now: terrorists. A faceless, ever-present threat that can keep the war drums beating. What I'd like to see is the military-industrial complex shift their battle to a War on Extinction: space exploration.

The war on drugs and the war on terror is the same war.

We stage coups in democratic countries, then we install puppet leaders. Then we start growing, harvesting, or selling drugs there. Then we move on to the next country.

Check out the history of Captagon.

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Post by MichaelBurge »

throwaway729 wrote: post #169
rtz12 wrote: post #99

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Almost all of the drug users I know are unemployed social outcasts. One of them at least somewhat tries.

Really? Everyone who drinks alcohol and coffee and smokes tobacco? I find that extremely hard to believe. Conversely, all of the drug users I know are employed and earn between 1x and 3x the national average household income. At jobs where they're highly respected for their contributions. Again, maybe that's just anecdote. But the "anecdote" criticism cuts both ways. The only real difference is that I'm not justifyin…

Anecdotes aren't good for determining truth, but if you vote based on personal anecdotes you get a large statistical sample of the population when they count the votes up.
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