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Re: Show HN: Thirty Bees – A PrestaShop 1.6 fork

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What's the difference between an official fork and an unofficial fork? Watch this project fail in X months because the project owners care more about publicity than work.

That is a bad thing to say. We need help, its a huge project. Its not just rewriting a few lines of code, there is a whole infrastructure behind the software we need help in setting up.

Re: Show HN: Thirty Bees – A PrestaShop 1.6 fork

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I deal with the PayPal team regularly, and I'm sure they'd be interested in your success. Are you in/near Paris? We (Magento) have an event there in early February. Happy to meet up then or sometime / somewhere.

We are not. We are actually spread out all around the world. Right now we are not a company, we are just agencies / developers that mad, sick and tired, and want something better. We just started this project this week and we are pulling more and more agencies on board, it is exploding under us. About the Paypal. For me personally that is a reason we are forking. Last year the company that develops the Paypal module…

Okay, I've emailed their team so that they can look into the situation.

Re: Show HN: Thirty Bees – A PrestaShop 1.6 fork

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Urgh. It has been several years now since I last had to deal with Magento, and nothing I've seen over the years suggests it has got any better. At the time, the final product was arguably a case of code that is far too split up, resulting in quite some system penalties. I get the advantage of developing that way, but I wonder if they'd have been served better by somehow writing stuff to combine libraries together for…

> Urgh. It has been several years now since I last had to deal with Magento, and nothing I've seen over the years suggests it has got any better. One of their biggest vendors, WebShopApps, happened to write a pretty scathing open letter to Magento yesterday if you're interested: http://webshopapps.com/blog/2017/01/what-magento-should-spen... This is a company that just a year ago was making almost all of its revenue…

We're nothing if not blessed by a vocal community, many of whom - like Karen - have their livelihoods as well as the livelihoods of employees to look after.

Karen raises some valid points. Others have raised some additional points as well as counterpoints:

* Kalen Jordan (Co-host of MageTalk podcast, MageMail.co creator, CommerceHero.io founder): https://blog.commercehero.io/response-1ee004f6d3c7

* Joshua Warren (CEO of Creatuity, a Magento partner agency): http://www.joshuawarren.com/blog/2017/1/5/magento-2-in-2017-...

* Paul Byrne (President of Razoyo, a non-partner Magento agency): https://www.razoyo.com/blog/2017/01/07/2017-starts-rage-apol...

If anyone reading this thread is curious about Magento in 2017, I recommend to check them out as well.

Re: Show HN: Thirty Bees – A PrestaShop 1.6 fork

#54
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Can anyone suggest a good writeup on the problems with magento and the existing solutions? I honestly thought storefronts were basically a solved problem, with options like Shopify, WooCommerce+Wordpress, existing.

I have been working with Magento CE 1.x for several years now. I have spent at least a hundred hours inside the debugger carefully stepping through the seventy layers of its core code to make sense of it. I can list a lot of problems I have seen in it. However, I cannot recommend any alternatives: I refuse to touch WordPress because it's WordPress, I have no intention of using OpenCart because I have already tried it…

Thanks so much for the in-depth write up!

Re: Show HN: Thirty Bees – A PrestaShop 1.6 fork

#55
post #29

Can anyone suggest a good writeup on the problems with magento and the existing solutions? I honestly thought storefronts were basically a solved problem, with options like Shopify, WooCommerce+Wordpress, existing.

Have you ever worked with Magento? With 1.8+ I found customisation very tedious and unpleasant, documentation virtually non-existent, 3rd party code unreliable, and CMS functionality lacking. Perhaps it's come a long way since then but I wouldn't bet on it.

Respose is a little late, but I've worked with shopify and seen a little bit of how woocommerce worked so I was just very surprised anyone would need much more for a storefront

Re: Show HN: Thirty Bees – A PrestaShop 1.6 fork

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Magento have had a bug in 2.1 Since September last year which they still don't seem to have fixed which basically breaks any 3rd party import / export / sync[1]. Not only that, but it was assigned an "internal jira ticket" near the end of October and there hasn't been any further notification since. This isn't an isolated incident. They spend a lot of money on marketing and conferences, yet the developer community se…

Curious, where do you suggest they look? FWIW I'm all for getting merchants and their tech teams on the right platform for them - no solution works for everyone. As for us (Magento): Our velocity in handling GitHub issues and PRs for M2 has been really, really slow. This is partly due to the volume of reports, and partly due to some inefficiency in our own house. We're fortunate that we have a huge, engaged community…

Thanks for the reply Ben.

Regarding your question, I hate to say it, but out of my recommendations most of my clients are tending towards either Woo or Shopify. I actually personally prefer Magento for most reasons, and still have clients who are happily trading with M1, both OS and Enterprise, but the customers on M2 feel that they've been burnt by the constant show-stopper bugs (mostly in regards to integration with other systems).

I really hope that I'll be able to start recommending M2 to clients again, as I've worked with Magento for many years and I know the system well. I feel it gets a lot of things right, but the M2 bugs have been frankly embarrassing, and have led to uncomfortable conversations with clients where I have to explain that yes, the old M1 site worked perfectly, but the new site that they're spending money on still has 3 month old bugs that I can't provide an update on, or even an ETA for resolution.

I look forward to Magento hopefully fixing the major issues with M2 in the near future.

P.S. I realised that I didn't actually post the URL to the bug I mentioned in my previous post. It's https://github.com/magento/magento2/issues/6683 ("Products updated_at field is not updating on save") which seems related to a couple of other bugs pertaining to "updated_at" fields not being modified.

Re: Show HN: Thirty Bees – A PrestaShop 1.6 fork

#57

Argh! You’ve hijacked the Space key (which is supposed to be for scrolling) to open your weird, well-hidden navigation! … admittedly, I wouldn’t have even found the navigation if I hadn’t pressed Space.

I can own that, it was me. We decided to launch this on Wednesday and I am a poor designer. I needed something to quickly get up as a page to explain to people what is going on. So I grabbed a Jekyll theme and went to town. Sorry about that, I am kind of at fault. Here is the theme I used though, http://jekyllthemes.org/themes/space-jekyll-template/

Remember mystery meat navigation? This is even worse: invisible navigation. Hiding the navigation behind a hamburger is OK on mobile because it’s an established pattern there and the screen is smaller so you perceive the entire screen readily; but on desktop computers? I didn’t even see the hamburger.

Re: Show HN: Thirty Bees – A PrestaShop 1.6 fork

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Curious, where do you suggest they look? FWIW I'm all for getting merchants and their tech teams on the right platform for them - no solution works for everyone. As for us (Magento): Our velocity in handling GitHub issues and PRs for M2 has been really, really slow. This is partly due to the volume of reports, and partly due to some inefficiency in our own house. We're fortunate that we have a huge, engaged community…

Thanks for the reply Ben. Regarding your question, I hate to say it, but out of my recommendations most of my clients are tending towards either Woo or Shopify. I actually personally prefer Magento for most reasons, and still have clients who are happily trading with M1, both OS and Enterprise, but the customers on M2 feel that they've been burnt by the constant show-stopper bugs (mostly in regards to integration wit…

From what I can tell, it's in the high priority backlog. Hopefully that means some progress along with... lots of other things. But, let's wait until we have some demonstrated burn down before we pop champagne.

Re: Show HN: Thirty Bees – A PrestaShop 1.6 fork

#59
post #50
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I have been working with Magento CE 1.x for several years now. I have spent at least a hundred hours inside the debugger carefully stepping through the seventy layers of its core code to make sense of it. I can list a lot of problems I have seen in it. However, I cannot recommend any alternatives: I refuse to touch WordPress because it's WordPress, I have no intention of using OpenCart because I have already tried it…

> like the Analytics plugin that loads each product in a category individually to send its data to Analytics when you view the category page. Curious to know which plugin you're referring to?

BlueAcorn Universal Analytics.

Re: Show HN: Thirty Bees – A PrestaShop 1.6 fork

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very well. could you atleast put up the gitter and allow us to sign up there. mailing list feels very "commercial"

Hi Zebra, I might be getting old, but your request seems very strange to me. I have subscribed many mailing lists during my life and there is no single one that I could define in any way as "commercial". On the other side, Gitter is a commercial platform that depends on one of two other commercial platforms (Twitter or Github). I wonder if I should revide my opinion on the usage of Gitter for free software projects..…

yes - you should revise your opinion. Thirtybees mailing list is a Mailchimp signup... not usenet. Please double check.

slack or gitter is atleast a two way street.

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