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Re: Ask HN: Does anyone here have an art degree?

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BFA student turned full stack developer here. I wanted to actually share WHY artists can really excel in this space, both positive and negative: 1. We've been trained to critique, and communicate issues constructively. This is absolutely essential to working quickly, the sooner you realize there is an existential problem with what you're doing, the sooner you can work through them. I've become an absolute user story…

Yes. Many artists have the skills necessary to become great advocates for the user because they have developed a healthily individualistic attitude. I'd say artists are a bit less conscientious, in general, than CS graduates, which makes them less well-suited to managing technical complexity and avoiding future problems. I wonder if your idea that artists are good at detecting technical debt might be something specif…

Yeah, that's definitely a possibility, but I'd like to say it was my designer's intuition that quickly speaks up and says "Nah, that's a crappy approach, I don't know why yet but dig deeper and fix this nagging feeling of terrible."

Re: Ask HN: Does anyone here have an art degree?

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post #9

Don't have an art degree but self taught since I was a child. I ended working for animation movies: http://feiss.be The funny part is that I have a computer engineering degree though..

I really like your stuff. I've also discovered a new film that I can watch: "Capture The Flag". Seems like a good film. I'm surprised that I knew nothing about it, even though I'm an avid film consumer. I guess marketing really is important. It would be great if you could write a blog post of how you create one of your pieces from scratch. It doesn't have to go into every single detail. At least enough so that those…

thanks!

Sorry but I don't have time for something like that.. I guess general illustration and painting rules apply to matte painting as well. Realistic illumination, good perspective and nice composition.. Start from sketch and big strokes with no detail, keep refining and detailing later.. etc.

I don't know your level, but for general painting tips I love this old tutorial http://www.androidarts.com/art_tut.htm

For any specifics, don't hesitate to ask..

Re: Ask HN: Does anyone here have an art degree?

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post #129

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> "I didn't realize how thick of a skin I have due to my arts background." Unfortunately, I think this says more about the programmers today and the culture they expect, rather than your resilience. (that's not meant to imply that you're not resilient, by the way).

Don't underestimate the brutality of art school critiques. Most fields wouldn't tolerate it, not just programming.

Freshman year, at least one person would run out of each class crying during critique. First year is all about destroying everything you know about art and yourself so that you can be rebuilt, it's soul crushing but necessary to push people outside their comfort zone.

The politics are interesting, but predictable and usually die out by junior year. Everyone gets hard critiques and even best friends know they should be pushing each other to be amazing and not let bullshit slide, that's the point of being there.

Re: Ask HN: Does anyone here have an art degree?

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I got a BFA, but started out a part-time web dev job to pay for university. I graduated with no interest in art, so went full-time in web dev. Been doing it for ten years since, and now build and lead teams. Got there through continual self-directed learning (books, courses, open source experiments). Slowly getting interested in art, again. The biggest benefits of the art school training:

- A habit of taking nothing for granted, interrogating everything. - Comfortable dealing with ambiguity. - A broad communication toolkit.

Re: Ask HN: Does anyone here have an art degree?

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HN lurker here, apologies for the throwaway. Just wanted to add my bit because I'm currently finishing a PhD in Fine Art which is entirely coding/computer based. It's at an elite art school that has absolutely no provision for CS of any kind. I also couldn't do a CS PhD anyway as I have no other math or CS training.

It's difficult to justify in some ways. Most of the practice-based work I'm doing I wouldn't really show as commercial art, it's introverted and 'academic' (in a Fine Art sense). Things like simulating a DDos of an online artwork and looking at that as a performance within the history of iconoclasm. Also anything technical is self-taught so I feel fairly certain I couldn't step into a coding role straight away - too many holes.

However, I've learned loads of assembly, python and general reverse-engineering skills and really smart & weird people constantly make me prove the point of what I'm doing within a context that I believe in. It's a context that's not exactly native to the materials I'm using, none of my peers have experience with what I'm doing on a technical level, so I'm forced to both "code switch" with my language during critique + think about computers in a way I never would in a CS degree (having spoken to many people with CS degrees). I love it. Art school forces you to lay down your own markers. Mine are that in the end I like what I'm making and I hope that it can add a small piece to our knowledge.

Re: Ask HN: Does anyone here have an art degree?

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post #130

Many of them. a BFA and two MFA's. I started out wanting to pursue computer science, but those classes didn't fit into my schedule (I did my freshman year at UCI and senior year in high school at the same time). The only class that fit my schedule was a Visual Arts class with a "New Media" emphasis. At this time I was also working at the local paper and putting their site online (this is around 1997). I got hooked on…

> currently the General Manager - Digital at Fender Guitars

Please tell me you guys have awesome jam sessions to close out the day.

Re: Ask HN: Does anyone here have an art degree?

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post #129

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> "I didn't realize how thick of a skin I have due to my arts background." Unfortunately, I think this says more about the programmers today and the culture they expect, rather than your resilience. (that's not meant to imply that you're not resilient, by the way).

Don't underestimate the brutality of art school critiques. Most fields wouldn't tolerate it, not just programming.

True. I saw a few put to tears. A small handful washed out, too. 70-80 hour weeks of work, and harsh realities. It's not as easy as some think, depending on the school and program selected.

Re: Ask HN: Does anyone here have an art degree?

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post #9

Don't have an art degree but self taught since I was a child. I ended working for animation movies: http://feiss.be The funny part is that I have a computer engineering degree though..

This is the correct way to do it. Being taught art would kill one's creativity and dull one's ideas. Therefore study maths, physics, computer science and all those tech things that underpin true art, i.e. the new stuff made in new(er) mediums.

I graduated with a tech degree and was able to freely move around the broadcast television and animation world, with a huge amount of creative input because I understood the problem space and the underlying tools.

I also had the confidence to branch out from 'engineer' to 'creative professional' able to be earning money for the companies I worked for due to this creative/tech crossover skillset, an 'engineer' is an expense, not a revenue earner under normal circumstances.

If I had wanted to work on the shows I worked on but had taken a traditional approach to getting there, then I would have had to have done an eternity of 'runner' jobs or have been born with the 'right' parents for nepotism to do it for me. But I found the tech avenue to be wide open, back then it was SGI machines and none of the runners were clamouring to read the SGI manuals. It wasn't important for me to 'mix with the stars' but I did very much enjoy working with a lot of different specialists all at the top of their game.

Re: Ask HN: Does anyone here have an art degree?

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post #125

I have an art degree of sorts. I went to The Evergreen State College[1], which does not have majors and does not offer a BFA, so I my degree is a BA. I took art programs that they offered, mostly doing drawing and sculpture. I also did some self driven courses that were not art related, learning about boat design. I got into open source software and programming after graduating, and it eventually led to a career. I w…

Evergreen is a cool school.
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