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Reasons not to use Skype (2012)

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Re: Reasons not to use Skype (2012)

#111

Is there any usable alternative for voice calls? Ring and Tox had problems setting up connection from android to debian linux last time I tried both of them. I really want to replace Skype with something so I can stop using Google Play. Signal is not an option as it is only available via Google Play too. [0] https://ring.cx/ [1] https://tox.chat/

How about wire? https://wire.com

So I had a flick through the website, and I fail to understand how this service makes any money.

This automatically makes me suspicious that either they'll eventually start collecting data, or the service will disappear as soon as they are acquired.

Re: Reasons not to use Skype (2012)

#112

Reason to use skype: So your dead account doesn't get immediately compromised and you screw your friends over in the process as your account starts sending out malware-infested links. glares at the seven or so users in his blocked list, users that jumped ship to Telegram and left their Skype accounts open to exploitation

Sounds like you should delete your account when you go inactive, and sounds like you should GTFO if their security is that terrible.

Re: Reasons not to use Skype (2012)

#113

Earlier quoted context omitted.

i was thinking about creating a alternative but hardly anyone is willing to pay for that now. slack probably should be able to create a full replacement for lync, (skype for businnes).

Without an on-premise option you wouldn't be able to get in to most organisations that have Lync deployed. Feature wise it wouldn't be too hard to match, but you might go crazy trying to code Outlook/Exchange integrations.

> Without an on-premise option you wouldn't be able to get in to most organisations that have Lync deployed.

I used to think that, too, but with the rise of cloud offerings like Office 365, many orgs are starting to see that running your own servers for Sharepoint/Exchange/Unified Communication isn't worth it anymore.

Re: Reasons not to use Skype (2012)

#114
"The most obvious alternative is a long-distance phone card."

What part of Stallman's position makes him fine with communicating and encouraging people to communicate using switches running proprietary software?

For that matter, how does he justify using the Internet rather than anything other than community networks running open source routing software?

Re: Reasons not to use Skype (2012)

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post #110

For once I agree with RS; I haven't used Skype in ages, particularly because it's just crappy software. Honestly, I'd view Skype as malware at this point, the number of exploits is too damn high and it barely integrates with anything ever. It's the kind of integration you'd normally see from a cheap car purchase where the Entertainment System is a iPhone 2 taped to the seats and the trunk smells like dead raccoon.

In fact, like java it tries to install malware and other browser toolbars when you install it. Microsoft reached the bottom and is still digging.

Re: Reasons not to use Skype (2012)

#117

"The most obvious alternative is a long-distance phone card." What part of Stallman's position makes him fine with communicating and encouraging people to communicate using switches running proprietary software? For that matter, how does he justify using the Internet rather than anything other than community networks running open source routing software?

Stallman doesn't really have a coherent ideology. If you start pulling at the thread of logic for a bit, it comes apart like a knit sweater.

People make a name for themselves by taking a strong stand on something, no matter how unpragmatic or unrealistic (and therefore, in my view 'wrong'). I don't doubt that he is intelligent, principled and abides mostly by his dogma (or at least thinks he does), or that he is isn't sincere. Obviously he's made some good contributions as well and so has kind of earned the right to have an outsized opinion. Nor do I doubt that it's important to have a variety of voices on such matters, and that often points raised by these types of people are important for us to consider.

BUT - it's best not to engage these types on ideas because it's really about dogma. It's best to grapple with the psychology of such people, why they chose to be who they are, the self-identity they derive out of having such positions etc..

In a way, these types often serve as good 'devil's advocates'.

If they were even in charge of anything it would be mostly destructive, but they can contribute a lot by challenging accepted norms.

You have to take these guys with a few grains of salt.

In much the same way, in politics, you see some opposition antagonists with some good ideas, representing underserved groups. Though they would make terrible leaders, their opinions should be noted, I think.

For example, I'm not worried about Skype at all - but I was not aware of some of those finer points, and they are worth knowing about.

Re: Reasons not to use Skype (2012)

#119
post #13

Another reason not to use Skype is that their support is pretty poor. They've deleted Skype numbers from my account without warning. Someone linked my and my wife's account because we used them on the same PC, and refuse to unlink Skype and Microsoft accounts. I'd love to find an alternative, but given that everybody already has Skype accounts the lock-in is pretty significant. Don't much like the alternatives Stallm…

Discord might be an alternative for team/friend based conversations. They have group calling (don't need to share a server) now. Problem is that it's marketed towards gamers and so might not be fit for purpose for business purposes

Mumble is a better choice since it's open source.

Re: Reasons not to use Skype (2012)

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post #5

I am not sure who this guy is, but he seems a little out of this world.

Stallman warned people in detail about the dangers of putting everything in "the cloud" years and years before everyone started putting their photos in the cloud, getting hacked, and celebrities' nude photos being leaked on the internet. If you think he's crazy about a topic just wait 5 years, you'll admit he's right.

Also obligatory xkcd : https://www.xkcd.com/743/

> If you think he's crazy about a topic just wait 5 years, you'll admit he's right.

2012 → 2017 : yep after Snowden leaks in 2013 that confirmed Microsoft joined PRISM in 2007, the fear of eavesdropping in Skype does not seem unfunded anymore.

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