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Reasons not to use Skype (2012)

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Re: Reasons not to use Skype (2012)

#41

Is there any usable alternative for voice calls? Ring and Tox had problems setting up connection from android to debian linux last time I tried both of them. I really want to replace Skype with something so I can stop using Google Play. Signal is not an option as it is only available via Google Play too. [0] https://ring.cx/ [1] https://tox.chat/

Linphone is a decent alternative, it supports both voice and video calls.

Re: Reasons not to use Skype (2012)

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It sucks - but as is always the case with free vs nonfree software - there are few alternatives.

Among the few alternatives available are Google (hangouts) and Facebook.

Stallman waves his hand and mentions Jitsi and Mumble which aren't comparable in features to Skype (Chat + Voice + video + desktop sharing on all platforms including mobile). Jitsi does look promising but not quite complete.

A chat/voice app is like a social network, it has a critical mass so I can't switch unless everyone else does or my alternative is interoperable.

Software being free as in speech is perhaps twice as important to me as it is for the average user, but that still means I'd rather have a polished proprietary app that spies on me, than an unpolished free alternative. Skype is exceptionally bad, so shouldn't be too hard to beat in terms of polish.

Re: Reasons not to use Skype (2012)

#43

I use the Matrix messaging client riot.fm instead

What is riot.fm? Maybe https://riot.im/ ? Is it able to do at least audio calls?

Riot can do audio and video calls, I've had good luck with it (currently gets used between my friendgroup instead of phonecalls). Check out http://matrix.org/ for the server implementation details and https://riot.im for the biggest client. Currently, it only supports 1-on-1 audiocalls/videocalls. No group calls yet.

Forewarning that while it supports end-to-end encryption for the chatting bits, the actual audio data is not encrypted. The call request/advertisement can be encrypted though!

Re: Reasons not to use Skype (2012)

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I am not sure who this guy is, but he seems a little out of this world.

While his technical accomplishments are certainly commendable, he is a first rate asshole, see why Libreboot left GNU and also his conference rider. https://github.com/ddol/rre-rms/blob/master/rider.txt

> While his technical accomplishments are certainly commendable, he is a first rate asshole

this must be why GNU/Linux is a perfect match. Have those guys actually met or do their egos not fit inside one room?

Re: Reasons not to use Skype (2012)

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I am not sure who this guy is, but he seems a little out of this world.

While his technical accomplishments are certainly commendable, he is a first rate asshole, see why Libreboot left GNU and also his conference rider. https://github.com/ddol/rre-rms/blob/master/rider.txt

While I don't disagree that he sounds, in general, like a bit of a douche, you can hardly say that this rider makes him an asshole.

He lays out, reasonably, the conditions under which he will speak. He asks for tea, and Pepsi, not Coke.

Seems utterly reasonable to me.

Re: Reasons not to use Skype (2012)

#46
Not a fan of Skype, but in one of Stallman's other articles he says:

"Public agencies exist for the people, not for themselves. When they do computing, they do it for the people. They have a duty to maintain full control over that computing so that they can assure it is done properly for the people. They must never allow control over the state's computing to fall into private hands."

This guy has a lot of faith in government and his treatise actually sounds rather Marxist. History is littered with public agencies that obstensiby exist for the "people," but in fact exist for no other reason than to enforce the power of the state. I don't trust government -- I endure it. Government is necessary in a way not dissimilar to the necessity of colonoscopies.

Re: Reasons not to use Skype (2012)

#47

Is there any usable alternative for voice calls? Ring and Tox had problems setting up connection from android to debian linux last time I tried both of them. I really want to replace Skype with something so I can stop using Google Play. Signal is not an option as it is only available via Google Play too. [0] https://ring.cx/ [1] https://tox.chat/

Signal is available for desktop browser, although I don't know how well works.

Re: Reasons not to use Skype (2012)

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Stallman won't like it but Facebook Messenger has voice calling built in now and it works very well. I was calling someone in SE Asia from rural Massachusetts recently and the quality was great with very low latency. It felt like a natural conversation given the connectivity challenges on both ends.

Interesting. I can't see myself using it for work though, which the majority of my Skype calls tend to be.

My team has been using appear.in for about two years now (I introduced it to them smug).

http://appear.in/some_words_doesnt_matter <- share with whoever, instant video call

Re: Reasons not to use Skype (2012)

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

While his technical accomplishments are certainly commendable, he is a first rate asshole, see why Libreboot left GNU and also his conference rider. https://github.com/ddol/rre-rms/blob/master/rider.txt

While I don't disagree that he sounds, in general, like a bit of a douche, you can hardly say that this rider makes him an asshole. He lays out, reasonably, the conditions under which he will speak. He asks for tea, and Pepsi, not Coke. Seems utterly reasonable to me.

So if Coca Cola is the only thing available, he will just refuse. I personally prefer Coke, but I'm not going to walk off stage if I am offered Pepsi. A bit rock-starish if you ask me.

Re: Reasons not to use Skype (2012)

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

While his technical accomplishments are certainly commendable, he is a first rate asshole, see why Libreboot left GNU and also his conference rider. https://github.com/ddol/rre-rms/blob/master/rider.txt

> While his technical accomplishments are certainly commendable, he is a first rate asshole this must be why GNU/Linux is a perfect match. Have those guys actually met or do their egos not fit inside one room?

I wouldn't want to be the guy who arranges a Torvalds-Stallman meeting. These two are quite passionate and disagree about something that Stallman spent his life preaching. It wouldn't go well.
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