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Re: JWZ's DNA Lounge now accepting donations on patreon

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Post by owenversteeg »

AgentME wrote: post #6
owenversteeg wrote: post #4

Post with more details on the financial situation: https://www.dnalounge.com/backstage/log/2016/12/19.html It's quite candid and interesting to read. For those of you that don't know jwz, you may know: - He was one of the first employees at Netscape and came up with the name Mozilla - He maintains XScreenSaver - jwz's law: Every program attempts to expand until it can read mail. Those programs which cannot so expand…

Clicking the link leads to some balls. If he really doesn't want his stuff to be seen, why is it being posted here on this site? There are way too many interesting things made by people who want them to be seen for me to waste my time fighting someone to see the stuff they've made.

Ah yeah, forgot about that, sorry. jwz really does not like hn at all. He's clearly a really smart guy, and all of us on hn benefit from what he's done. But at the same time I wish he'd take maciej's approach to criticizing the bad parts of HN (with snarky tweets and great writing, two things HN loves) as opposed to a redirect to a picture of testicles.

Are there a lot of "finance-obsessed man-children and brogrammers" here? Yeah. But this is also one of a few places on the open Internet where there are a lot of really interesting, really smart people in one place, and rejecting it wholesale would be sad.

Re: JWZ's DNA Lounge now accepting donations on patreon

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Post by shasheene »

From https://www.dnalounge.com/backstage/log/2016/12/19.html (copy and paste link into address bar):

> I know that with this level of transparency and vulnerability I'm setting myself up for a bunch of wisecracks from people who are all too eager to tell me what I did wrong and how they totally would have done it differently, having created nothing of lasting value themselves. How this situation [could have been avoided] or that was "obvious" [that it would happen]. Haters gonna hate, I know how it goes.

I really hope this will work out for the proprietor. They're asking for $110,000 recurring donation per month to meet monthly payroll, San Fransisco rent, utilities and unpaid bills (without offering a tangible reward).

While that amount of money ($1.32 million annually) arguably could be better spent on more worthy causes, it will be incredible if the recurring donation business model turns out to successfully fund relatively niche content of this magnitude.

Re: JWZ's DNA Lounge now accepting donations on patreon

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Post by [deleted] »

shasheene wrote: post #12

From https://www.dnalounge.com/backstage/log/2016/12/19.html (copy and paste link into address bar): > I know that with this level of transparency and vulnerability I'm setting myself up for a bunch of wisecracks from people who are all too eager to tell me what I did wrong and how they totally would have done it differently, having created nothing of lasting value themselves. How this situation [could have been avoi…

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Re: JWZ's DNA Lounge now accepting donations on patreon

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Post by justin66 »

shasheene wrote: post #12

From https://www.dnalounge.com/backstage/log/2016/12/19.html (copy and paste link into address bar): > I know that with this level of transparency and vulnerability I'm setting myself up for a bunch of wisecracks from people who are all too eager to tell me what I did wrong and how they totally would have done it differently, having created nothing of lasting value themselves. How this situation [could have been avoi…

Their Patreon goal is $8000 per month. The blog post indicates they are losing $380,000 a year. It's hard to know where you're pulling those numbers from?

Re: JWZ's DNA Lounge now accepting donations on patreon

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Post by shasheene »

justin66 wrote: post #14
shasheene wrote: post #12

From https://www.dnalounge.com/backstage/log/2016/12/19.html (copy and paste link into address bar): > I know that with this level of transparency and vulnerability I'm setting myself up for a bunch of wisecracks from people who are all too eager to tell me what I did wrong and how they totally would have done it differently, having created nothing of lasting value themselves. How this situation [could have been avoi…

Their Patreon goal is $8000 per month. The blog post indicates they are losing $380,000 a year. It's hard to know where you're pulling those numbers from?

There are multiple goals on the featured Patreon page. The arrows on the goals box allow scrolling

> $8,000/month -- You paid one month's liability insurance!

> $30,000/month -- DNA Lounge is in the black!

> $50,000/month -- You paid one month's rent and utilities!

> $65,000/month -- If we hit this per month, then in 12 months, not only will we be in the black, but also you will have paid off all of our unpaid bills and debts so that jwz doesn't have to!

> $110,000/month -- You paid one month's payroll and payroll taxes!

Re: JWZ's DNA Lounge now accepting donations on patreon

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Post by justin66 »

shasheene wrote: post #15
justin66 wrote: post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Their Patreon goal is $8000 per month. The blog post indicates they are losing $380,000 a year. It's hard to know where you're pulling those numbers from?

There are multiple goals on the featured Patreon page. The arrows on the goals box allow scrolling > $8,000/month -- You paid one month's liability insurance! > $30,000/month -- DNA Lounge is in the black! > $50,000/month -- You paid one month's rent and utilities! > $65,000/month -- If we hit this per month, then in 12 months, not only will we be in the black, but also you will have paid off all of our unpaid bills…

Thanks. I'm pretty sure if they make it work, it won't be through Patreon, but I guess you never know...

Re: JWZ's DNA Lounge now accepting donations on patreon

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Post by digi_owl »

owenversteeg wrote: post #11
AgentME wrote: post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Clicking the link leads to some balls. If he really doesn't want his stuff to be seen, why is it being posted here on this site? There are way too many interesting things made by people who want them to be seen for me to waste my time fighting someone to see the stuff they've made.

Ah yeah, forgot about that, sorry. jwz really does not like hn at all. He's clearly a really smart guy, and all of us on hn benefit from what he's done. But at the same time I wish he'd take maciej's approach to criticizing the bad parts of HN (with snarky tweets and great writing, two things HN loves) as opposed to a redirect to a picture of testicles. Are there a lot of "finance-obsessed man-children and brogrammer…

I suspect he set up the redirection before HN was opened up beyond the ycombinator set.
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