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Re: Vivaldi – A Browser for Our Friends

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Post by Tomis02 »

woah wrote: post #176
bigbugbag wrote: post #142

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I wonder what you are talking about, Opera did stop and turned into a Chrome clone which brought vivaldi and otter into existence to close the gap it left. I don't get Where the extra click you are talking about is, either click on open in new tab or open in background tab, same number of click. I'm not sure what kind of customization you are asking for, you want to remove the choice of opening in background tab ? Wh…

As an aside, what is a "power user" of a web browser? Almost everyone these days in any kind of office job makes very heavy use of the web for research and apps. People proclaiming themselves as "power users" are just trying to imagine that they have some sort of weird superiority because of their idiosyncratic UI preferences. What a strange thing to be proud of.

You obviously never used Opera 12 :) power user in a browser has the same meaning as everywhere else - someone who is more skilled at using a tool than the average user. For example a regular user will go back to the previous page by pressing the 'back' button, or 'backspace' if they're keyboard inclined. A power user would use the "hold right click - press left click" mouse gesture (or a different variant that involves holding right click down and moving the mouse), which shaves some time off from the whole operation. Same for switching tabs (hold right click + scroll mouse wheel), opening new tabs (mouse gesture), customizing tabs (e.g. on the left side if you have the screen space) and generally knowing what options and features your browser offers. This basically means that as a power user you can do whatever a regular user can do, but more efficiently.

It's not a thing to be proud of, or some sort of weird imagined superiority as you put it, it's a fact that in a browser I can do stuff much more efficiently than most of my peers. Of course, this doesn't really matter unless your job revolves around a browser, in which case you could probably shave 10 or more minutes per day (relevant when juggling with tabs a lot, for managers/P.O.s/Scrum masters and such).

Of course, the term "power user" doesn't make sense when talking about barebones browsers (like the old IE), just like it doesn't make sense in Git (where everywhere needs to be a power user, you can't just casually use it like in Hg, without spending lots of time learning it).

Re: Vivaldi – A Browser for Our Friends

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Post by mtone »

tornadoboy55 wrote: post #53
StevePerkins wrote: post #46

I check in on Vivaldi every few months to see how it's coming along, and there are some things that I like. However, I think they're a bit TOO fixated on Opera as it was 15 years ago. I keep waiting for bookmark sync, which today is a fundamental browser feature rather than a nice-to-have. But the Vivaldi guys insist on pouring resources into an integrated desktop email client instead, because that was a signature fe…

> However, it's probably no exaggeration to say that most users haven't used a desktop email client in over a decade. Almost everyone that uses macOS uses Apple Mail. Actually, I prefer that from having to (keep ) open a tab for Gmail.

And on windows 10, I now use the built-in Mail app, which is almost there for home/casual use (except notably that we still can't right-click on a file and Send to Mail. Really, Microsoft!?).

I usually open the browser for better searching, such as email and google talk logs with a certain person, and somehow I doubt a third-party will implement that feature as well as gmail does.

Re: Vivaldi – A Browser for Our Friends

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Post by LordWinstanley »

Jonsvt wrote: post #32

Glad you like our browser. We are working hard to continue to add really useful features, cool stuff and more flexibility. Our philosophy is that we all deserve a browser that works in the way we want it to. This means we listen to input and gradually add the features and options you want. Cheers, Jon of Vivaldi

Any plans for an Android version?

Re: Vivaldi – A Browser for Our Friends

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Post by [deleted] »

Jonsvt wrote: post #32

Glad you like our browser. We are working hard to continue to add really useful features, cool stuff and more flexibility. Our philosophy is that we all deserve a browser that works in the way we want it to. This means we listen to input and gradually add the features and options you want. Cheers, Jon of Vivaldi

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Re: Vivaldi – A Browser for Our Friends

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Post by wallacoloo »

Coming from Firefox, it's got a very nice default UI - I love the loading animations and such. It seems easy to customize, though puzzlingly the icons don't seem to be themeable even though colors, address bar appearance, etc are - which is a bummer because the default icons are ugly Windows 8-style/Metro things.

Also, it seems to be implementing its own scrollbars that are stylized differently than everything else on my computer. Firefox also uses my GTK theme for things like checkboxes, etc (right out of the box), which is pretty cool. Vivaldi's doing some cool things, but it's still got a ways to go.

Re: Vivaldi – A Browser for Our Friends

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Post by nugget »

anexprogrammer wrote: post #58
StevePerkins wrote: post #46

I check in on Vivaldi every few months to see how it's coming along, and there are some things that I like. However, I think they're a bit TOO fixated on Opera as it was 15 years ago. I keep waiting for bookmark sync, which today is a fundamental browser feature rather than a nice-to-have. But the Vivaldi guys insist on pouring resources into an integrated desktop email client instead, because that was a signature fe…

Almost everyone I know using email for business uses a desktop client - usually Mac Mail, sometimes thunderbird. A new client that isn't quite so neglected would be very welcome.

Check out polymail.co

Re: Vivaldi – A Browser for Our Friends

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Post by vortico »

vortico wrote: post #59
Karunamon wrote: post #35

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If I had a penny for every useless, unmaintained, and outdated open source project...

...you'd have more pennies than me if I had a penny for every unmaintained commercial software.

Whoops, meant to say "fewer" but now I can't edit. I just negated my point.

Re: Vivaldi – A Browser for Our Friends

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Post by notduncansmith »

How is Vivaldi's power consumption and memory footprint? Those were the biggest motivators to switch from Chrome to Safari on macOS for most browsing (I still use Chrome for some front-end dev stuff). I can browse the web forever with Safari on my 2012 MacBook Air, Chrome not so much (haven't tried FF as a daily driver in ages so would love to hear about it too).

Off-topic aside: is power consumption even a concern for engineers these days? Looking at what's possible with technologies that are somewhat fringe, it's hard not to think about how much power we're gobbling up that we really don't need.

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