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This Midori project looks interesting: http://joeduffyblog.com/2015/11/03/blogging-about-midori/
Yes, you should check this presentation as well Safe Systems Programming in C# and .NET https://www.infoq.com/presentations/csharp-systems-programmi... It details some of the Midori project lessons learned and how they impact the design of C# 7, .NET Native and future .NET versions.
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Who do think pays the salaries of those engineers?
It's more that a lot of the work people admire was done before or close to the acquisition date and therefore probably should be credited to Sun. That said, I'm not sure why things like speculative execution in the JVM context get such play as dark magic when it seems like the JVM and CLR are pretty neck-and-neck in terms of deliverable performance when we get down to the level where we're not affected by larger arch…
It's not dark magic, it's just good engineering. And the evidence is there in plain sight.
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It's more that a lot of the work people admire was done before or close to the acquisition date and therefore probably should be credited to Sun. That said, I'm not sure why things like speculative execution in the JVM context get such play as dark magic when it seems like the JVM and CLR are pretty neck-and-neck in terms of deliverable performance when we get down to the level where we're not affected by larger arch…
Evidence: JRuby, Clojure, Groovy are dynamic languages that have been successful on the JVM and that simply can't have the same performance on the CLR for obvious reasons. Microsoft tried investing in IronPython and IronRuby but failed. Furthermore a language like Scala can have a type-system that diverges from that of Java (e.g. higher kinded types) without taking a hit in performance. It's not dark magic, it's just…
And it gets even more severe with Scala.
As Ruby should demonstrate, languages succeed because the community wants them. Not because they have specific performance characteristics.
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Evidence: JRuby, Clojure, Groovy are dynamic languages that have been successful on the JVM and that simply can't have the same performance on the CLR for obvious reasons. Microsoft tried investing in IronPython and IronRuby but failed. Furthermore a language like Scala can have a type-system that diverges from that of Java (e.g. higher kinded types) without taking a hit in performance. It's not dark magic, it's just…
I'm not sure I believe what you're saying is true. I'm a full time Clojure dev and let me tell you, if I give a damn about performance I avoid a lot of the cool parts of the language. And it gets even more severe with Scala. As Ruby should demonstrate, languages succeed because the community wants them. Not because they have specific performance characteristics.
This Midori project looks interesting: http://joeduffyblog.com/2015/11/03/blogging-about-midori/
It sounds absolutely fascinating, but it's a little sad that it did not go beyond the research stage. Like building a flying car and then hiding it in a garage. I understand how difficult it would have been for Microsoft to turn Midori into a product, but still I would like to see what that would have been like.
But yeah it would be nice if they could open-source it.
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Evidence: JRuby, Clojure, Groovy are dynamic languages that have been successful on the JVM and that simply can't have the same performance on the CLR for obvious reasons. Microsoft tried investing in IronPython and IronRuby but failed. Furthermore a language like Scala can have a type-system that diverges from that of Java (e.g. higher kinded types) without taking a hit in performance. It's not dark magic, it's just…
I'm not sure I believe what you're saying is true. I'm a full time Clojure dev and let me tell you, if I give a damn about performance I avoid a lot of the cool parts of the language. And it gets even more severe with Scala. As Ruby should demonstrate, languages succeed because the community wants them. Not because they have specific performance characteristics.
Unfortunately VMware wasted a lot of resources trying to redefine Groovy as a performant language which could replace Java's use case, or even run on Android (believe it or not).
This Midori project looks interesting: http://joeduffyblog.com/2015/11/03/blogging-about-midori/
It sounds absolutely fascinating, but it's a little sad that it did not go beyond the research stage. Like building a flying car and then hiding it in a garage. I understand how difficult it would have been for Microsoft to turn Midori into a product, but still I would like to see what that would have been like.
So that is something.
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Evidence: JRuby, Clojure, Groovy are dynamic languages that have been successful on the JVM and that simply can't have the same performance on the CLR for obvious reasons. Microsoft tried investing in IronPython and IronRuby but failed. Furthermore a language like Scala can have a type-system that diverges from that of Java (e.g. higher kinded types) without taking a hit in performance. It's not dark magic, it's just…
I'm not sure I believe what you're saying is true. I'm a full time Clojure dev and let me tell you, if I give a damn about performance I avoid a lot of the cool parts of the language. And it gets even more severe with Scala. As Ruby should demonstrate, languages succeed because the community wants them. Not because they have specific performance characteristics.
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I'm not sure I believe what you're saying is true. I'm a full time Clojure dev and let me tell you, if I give a damn about performance I avoid a lot of the cool parts of the language. And it gets even more severe with Scala. As Ruby should demonstrate, languages succeed because the community wants them. Not because they have specific performance characteristics.
I don't really understand your reply. Where you replying to my comment?
I also think it's wrong to imply IronPython and IronRuby failed for purely performance reasons.
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I'm not sure I believe what you're saying is true. I'm a full time Clojure dev and let me tell you, if I give a damn about performance I avoid a lot of the cool parts of the language. And it gets even more severe with Scala. As Ruby should demonstrate, languages succeed because the community wants them. Not because they have specific performance characteristics.
Hi sorry for off topic question. But how do u feel about clojure ? I am a python developer and really interested in clojure. Do u think it's worthwhile learning ?