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Re: Bootstrap 4 Alpha 6 Released

#41

Post by kelvin0 » Fri, Jan 06, 2017, 9:46 PM UTC

CSS was the one thing I dreaded before doing web stuff. I'm a PC/Console dev for many years, and never was able to get stuff to look 'decent' when trying my hand at HTML/CSS/WebApps. The 'default' look of most web widgets is dreadful in a browser ... and I'm not one to kit pick at visual design!

Bootstrap abstracts that whole bit (CSS mostly) and allows me to concentrate un functionality knowing that : A) It's at least going to look as good as Bootstraps default template (which is quite good for me!) B) It's also going to be responsive ... brilliant!

Kudos to the Bootstrap team!

Re: Bootstrap 4 Alpha 6 Released

#42

Post by cyberferret » Fri, Jan 06, 2017, 9:54 PM UTC

pan69 wrote: post #36

I'm really looking forward to Bootstrap 4, it's been one of those key productivity boosters in my arsenal of skills. So, many thanks to the Bootstrap team, you've made the world a better place (if anything, certainly my world). Though, one thing I noticed going through the docs, the first thing I always look at is the "forms" section. For most apps, forms are probably the most important aspect (at least, for me they…

Hear, hear. This is a common issue for me as well. I have several forms in my web apps where I would like to use space more effectively by placing short fields (e.g. Start Date / End Date) next to each other under longer fields.

At the moment, I have to do the dance of creating a new "row" class and two "col-lg-6" DIVs to manually arrange these while still keeping things responsive (i.e. so the shorter fields appear under each other on smaller devices).

Would be nice if we could switch "form-inline" in and out easily on a normal vertical form, for sure.

Re: Bootstrap 4 Alpha 6 Released

#43

Post by mdo » Fri, Jan 06, 2017, 9:58 PM UTC

cyberferret wrote: post #42

pan69 wrote: post #36

I'm really looking forward to Bootstrap 4, it's been one of those key productivity boosters in my arsenal of skills. So, many thanks to the Bootstrap team, you've made the world a better place (if anything, certainly my world). Though, one thing I noticed going through the docs, the first thing I always look at is the "forms" section. For most apps, forms are probably the most important aspect (at least, for me they…

Hear, hear. This is a common issue for me as well. I have several forms in my web apps where I would like to use space more effectively by placing short fields (e.g. Start Date / End Date) next to each other under longer fields. At the moment, I have to do the dance of creating a new "row" class and two "col-lg-6" DIVs to manually arrange these while still keeping things responsive (i.e. so the shorter fields appear…

I hear you two. I'll look into it for the beta. Opened an issue at https://github.com/twbs/bootstrap/issues/21581 — feel free to chime in with any specific examples or requests.

Re: Bootstrap 4 Alpha 6 Released

#44

Post by manyxcxi » Fri, Jan 06, 2017, 10:00 PM UTC

igotsideas wrote: post #23

Why is there over 1000 !important's in bootstrap.css? I always thought 1 !important was a big no no.

Contrived example, but one that probably accounts for a LOT of the !importants are utility classes, say .bold. If you put on that class you want to be sure it's getting applied, regardless of the styles which may come before or after it.

Re: Bootstrap 4 Alpha 6 Released

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Post by welanes » Fri, Jan 06, 2017, 10:01 PM UTC

All about that flexbox. Web design went from enigmatic version of Buckaroo to Tetris with just the square and straight tetrominos.

Easy.

Re: Bootstrap 4 Alpha 6 Released

#46

Post by igotsideas » Fri, Jan 06, 2017, 10:10 PM UTC

manyxcxi wrote: post #44

igotsideas wrote: post #23

Why is there over 1000 !important's in bootstrap.css? I always thought 1 !important was a big no no.

Contrived example, but one that probably accounts for a LOT of the !importants are utility classes, say .bold. If you put on that class you want to be sure it's getting applied, regardless of the styles which may come before or after it.

Could that be avoided if the design of the framework would of kept specificity in mind or does that not matter in that case?

Re: Bootstrap 4 Alpha 6 Released

#47

Post by montecarl » Fri, Jan 06, 2017, 10:27 PM UTC

mdo wrote: post #43

cyberferret wrote: post #42

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Hear, hear. This is a common issue for me as well. I have several forms in my web apps where I would like to use space more effectively by placing short fields (e.g. Start Date / End Date) next to each other under longer fields. At the moment, I have to do the dance of creating a new "row" class and two "col-lg-6" DIVs to manually arrange these while still keeping things responsive (i.e. so the shorter fields appear…

I hear you two. I'll look into it for the beta. Opened an issue at https://github.com/twbs/bootstrap/issues/21581 — feel free to chime in with any specific examples or requests.

Your link is broken. I think you meant this: https://github.com/twbs/bootstrap/issues/21581

Re: Bootstrap 4 Alpha 6 Released

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Post by coderdude » Fri, Jan 06, 2017, 11:03 PM UTC

CharlesW wrote: post #13

hitgeek wrote: post #11

what is the compatibility store for third party components/themes based on bootstrap. one of the things I love about bootstrap is being able to google "bootstrap " and get something that works and looks nice. will these third party components need to be re-written and support multiple bootstrap versions?

> what is the compatibility store for third party components/themes based on bootstrap. I can't speak to components, but for themes there's already a migration guide, and I'd expect to see tools that help with the conversion since they're conceptually similar. https://v4-alpha.getbootstrap.com/migration/ > will these third party components need to be re-written and support multiple bootstrap versions? They'll need to…

That's been the case for the most part on WrapBootstrap. Items that are very active are pushing out new BS4 versions while keeping the 3.x-based versions in the package. Some items that haven't seen an update to newer versions of the 3.x branch are jumping straight to 4.

The jump between 3 to 4 isn't as great as the jump from 2 to 3. With the jump from 2 to 3, many items never made the transition. I don't think that will be the case this time around.

Re: Bootstrap 4 Alpha 6 Released

#49

Post by vincentdm » Fri, Jan 06, 2017, 11:32 PM UTC

We built our (niche B2B) app on Bootstrap and keep getting compliments from customers about how good it looks. I don't mind that lots of graphic designers hate it; Bootstrap has provided tremendous value for us. I bought the templates just as a way to thank them :-)

Re: Bootstrap 4 Alpha 6 Released

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Post by metamet » Sat, Jan 07, 2017, 12:09 AM UTC

vincentdm wrote: post #49

We built our (niche B2B) app on Bootstrap and keep getting compliments from customers about how good it looks. I don't mind that lots of graphic designers hate it; Bootstrap has provided tremendous value for us. I bought the templates just as a way to thank them :-)

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