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Apple cuts Tim Cook's pay 15% for missing sales goals

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Re: Apple cuts Tim Cook's pay 15% for missing sales goals

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Post by saurik »

ChuckMcM wrote: post #90

Like others I don't shed a lot of tears when an exec makes only 89% of their multi-million dollar target bonus :-) I asked an exec at Oracle once about how it was even motivating. For much of my career I've had some sort of bonus associated with my salary, at Sun, NetApp, Google all had bonus programs (with different tweaks). And for an engineer it could be a huge thing. At Google with all the multipliers in place yo…

The issue is not that he is making 15% less salary, the issue is that we all know that he was punished: that must feel devastating. That the punishment may or may not be something you consider harsh or not doesn't matter: the real punishment is that CNN just wrote an article about how Apple is having issues and important people are blaming Tim Cook, and reducing a CEO's salary at a publicly traded company is a "forced public" punishment.

Re: Apple cuts Tim Cook's pay 15% for missing sales goals

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Post by slantyyz »

nilkn wrote: post #223
rackforms wrote: post #11

How is Tim Cook still CEO of Apple? Forget sales for a moment and just consider the damage Apple's brand is suffering. $300 books, headphone jacks, unreliable cloud services, missed product launches. In may ways Apples becoming the butt of jokes, a symbol of ignorance. Apple's in total disarray right now and the most loyal followers, myself included, are either jumping ship or seriously considering. The mistakes bein…

Apple is in "disarray" in the same sense that Facebook is dying. If your judgment of the entire company comes down to whether a new iPhone can be physically plugged into a new MacBook Pro, then I suppose it might seem to be in disarray. Apple's taking some heat now because they're working towards an ecosystem that is not based on wires at all to the greatest extent possible. Apple has been the butt of jokes at least…

>> Apple has been the butt of jokes at least since 2008 when I first got my first Apple product (an old 17" MacBook Pro). Back when I was looking at laptops then, I saw the same complaints that I see about the new MacBook Pro: too expensive, specs aren't good enough, etc., etc. None of this is new.

But actually some of it is new. I go back to the Apple ][ days, so I've seen my share of disdain of Apple products from people who weren't users of Apple products.

A lot of the uproar in the past several months, however, has come from vocal Apple users who feel let down.

Re: Apple cuts Tim Cook's pay 15% for missing sales goals

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Post by imaginenore »

wavefunction wrote: post #265
imaginenore wrote: post #220

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You don't need a $1K machine for VR. Example: GTX 970 = $155: http://ebay.com/itm/371833128329 GTX 980 = $235: http://ebay.com/itm/291993305929 Gaming PC with GTX 970 = $540: http://ebay.com/itm/112250177638 Gaming PC with GTX 1070 = $690: http://ebay.com/itm/222369412011

I think ebay is the last place I'd buy pretty much anything. Especially when the price discrepancy between those listings and fully legit stores is so different. Just a personal observation.

Buy from the sellers with good reviews and lots of reviews, and you will be fine. And if you pay with PayPal, eBay guarantees to return your money if something goes wrong.

Re: Apple cuts Tim Cook's pay 15% for missing sales goals

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Post by swang »

tarikjn wrote: post #57

To step away from sales, since everyone seems so focused on headphone jacks/MBPt. I think a lot of the uproar this year will subside over the next 1-2 years and the decisions Apple made will make sense. Apple has always made controversial decisions of this fashion in its history, many today don't remember because they weren't Apple customers then. I think those who said Steve Jobs wouldn't have let these decisions ha…

> I think a lot of the uproar this year will subside over the next 1-2 years and the decisions Apple made will make sense.

Uh, they subside because people don't want to argue over stuff that happened 1-2 years ago... do you still argue about apple's change from it's 30-pin to lightning connector that happened in 2012? no, because you either 1: just dealt with the annoyance that you had to rebuy charging cables or 2: decide buying these cables was not worth your loyalty to apple and just stopped buying iphones.

i'm not going to argue about the new iphone only having a lightning connector and no headphone jack in 2 years. why? because i'll either be using a device that actually has a headphone jack or i'll just give in and buy lightning headphones. the difference between the "uproar" is whether this causes people to start rethinking buying an iphone.

another thing: the decisions apple made for the macbook pro will _probably_ make sense in 2 years, the problem is this laptop exists now. not 1-2 years from now when, "it will make sense"

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Post by nilkn »

slantyyz wrote: post #272
nilkn wrote: post #223

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Apple is in "disarray" in the same sense that Facebook is dying. If your judgment of the entire company comes down to whether a new iPhone can be physically plugged into a new MacBook Pro, then I suppose it might seem to be in disarray. Apple's taking some heat now because they're working towards an ecosystem that is not based on wires at all to the greatest extent possible. Apple has been the butt of jokes at least…

>> Apple has been the butt of jokes at least since 2008 when I first got my first Apple product (an old 17" MacBook Pro). Back when I was looking at laptops then, I saw the same complaints that I see about the new MacBook Pro: too expensive, specs aren't good enough, etc., etc. None of this is new. But actually some of it is new. I go back to the Apple ][ days, so I've seen my share of disdain of Apple products from…

I even saw complaints about MacBook keyboards back then. RAM from Apple was not just limited but hilariously expensive.

Even the controversial use of new ports or removal of old ones is not unfamiliar in the history of Apple.

I'm not trying to defend every decision Apple has been making, and I don't necessarily agree with them all myself. But, honestly, it mostly feels like business as usual to me.

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Post by spectrum1234 »

qyv wrote: post #122
mtw wrote: post #119

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Unified vision was nice. What interested me first in the Apple ecosystem was its use by high-end pros. Photographers, creatives, filmmakers. Then they announced MacOS X, built upon NeXT/BSD, and the mac pro products. Now Microsoft has dedicated products for high-end creatives (Surface studio won't sell but still shows interest in pros), Linux Bash shell in windows 10. Meanwhile Apple wants pros to use a 9" tablet ins…

If 2017 turns out to be the year the VR starts to hit the main stream, which it could be, it will be interesting to see what Apple's response will be.

Yea. Google is taking amazing steps to kill it in this market with Daydream. I have it and for the price (diff vs non high end phone) and $80 headset is it perfect.

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Post by slantyyz »

Domenic_S wrote: post #20
hartator wrote: post #13

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I am pretty sure Tim Cook doesn't care.

You missed the point. Getting 100% or 120% of your bonus target says, "you're an awesome leader and people should respect you". Getting 89.5% says "get your life together". It's about pride and bragging rights. Nobody wants to go down in history as the one who led apple's implosion.

>> Nobody wants to go down in history as the one who led apple's implosion.

True, but in many ways, Tim Cook was the one who helped make Apple insanely profitable.

If Tim Cook were to be ousted today, I'd bet there'd be a lineup of companies wanting him to be their CEO.

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Post by spectrum1234 »

ryanSrich wrote: post #206
qyv wrote: post #122

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If 2017 turns out to be the year the VR starts to hit the main stream, which it could be, it will be interesting to see what Apple's response will be.

VR has a massive hurdle to get over. You can't expect people to drop $600 on a headset _and_ (at least) $1k on a machine that can run it. Costs will come down, but 2017 won't be the year. I expect VR to grow, but only in the gaming market.

Enter Google Daydream. Only need $650 phone (much cheaper ones were just announced that support it I think) and a $80 headset. And most importantly they are building it correctly so that many/most high end VR games will also run on Daydream.

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Post by Touche »

nashashmi wrote: post #242
Touche wrote: post #232

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I honestly want to know what was innovative about Siri. Android already have voice commands at that time, they just didn't have a cutesy name for it. I guess Siri was "innovative" in that it had a clever marketing campaign behind it, that Google, Microsoft, and Amazon later copied.

Siri was a big distraction when it came in the box with humor. But otherwise, it was the future. Just think if you were supposed to control your device with voice only. Blind people could use it. Car drivers could use it. Lazy people could use it. Siri took a long time to integrate into apps. Siri took a while to get some intelligence. Siri took a while to integrate more into the OS. Siri became just another app but…

But Siri wasn't voice activated at the start. It actually got that feature after Google Now had it. So again, I don't see anything that was innovative about Siri at its release.

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Post by mikestew »

tboughen wrote: post #200
esalman wrote: post #151

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Cortana requires a mic attached to Xbox or the controller. But I never use one. It would be nice to have a mic built into Xbox, which would act like Alexa or Google home.

My wife and I both use our Xbox One with Kinect and Amazon Echo daily. Alexa works extremely well, but Cortana works only 80% of the time and so slowly we usually pick up a controller, even just to pause Netflix.

but Cortana works only 80% of the time and so slowly we usually pick up a controller, even just to pause Netflix

That's why I unhooked the Kinect that was forced upon me when I bought a launch day box, and put it in the garage. That pile of garbage worked just often enough to trick me into trying to rely on it. But 80% isn't anywhere near good enough, IMO.

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