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Apple cuts Tim Cook's pay 15% for missing sales goals

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Re: Apple cuts Tim Cook's pay 15% for missing sales goals

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Post by andrewstuart2 »

rblatz wrote: post #68

People are all up in arms about headphone jacks, USB-C, and dongles. When the real issue is Apple completely missing huge new markets. Apple had Siri out and was in the lead with voice control, then they wasted it. I never use Siri, she is nearly worthless, but I do use Alexa multiple times a day. Amazon is Leading the voice assistant market, and Google is right on their heels. Home automation was supposed to get bet…

> Apple had Siri out and was in the lead with voice control, then they wasted it.

I think this statement can be generalized to almost every single product Apple sells or has sold. They've seriously excelled at innovation in the past (tons of great historic computers, the iPod, the iPhone, the iPad, Siri, etc.) but then it's like the whole company eventually gets bored with Product X and moves on because "Innovation is Out There!"

Re: Apple cuts Tim Cook's pay 15% for missing sales goals

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Post by jaxondu »

rblatz wrote: post #68

People are all up in arms about headphone jacks, USB-C, and dongles. When the real issue is Apple completely missing huge new markets. Apple had Siri out and was in the lead with voice control, then they wasted it. I never use Siri, she is nearly worthless, but I do use Alexa multiple times a day. Amazon is Leading the voice assistant market, and Google is right on their heels. Home automation was supposed to get bet…

> Apple had Siri out and was in the lead with voice control, then they wasted it.

Just ask "Who's the next President of the United States of America." OK Google gets it. Siri shows you a list of web/wiki articles.

Re: Apple cuts Tim Cook's pay 15% for missing sales goals

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Post by artimaeis »

rackforms wrote: post #24
usaphp wrote: post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Your first reason for him being a bad CEO is a $300 book. A lot of companies have these type of books which are also costly, I don't think it's a good idea to start argument about him being a bad CEO with a book example.

It's perception I'm talking about, the real damage being done by releasing this type of tone-deaf product at the same time good, hardworking and long-time users can no longer afford their products.

" "users can no longer afford their products"

Er, what? Going back to the last iPhone that fell mostly in the Jobs era - the 4S - it was priced at $599 for the 16GB version.

Compare that to the iPhone SE which starts at $399 for the 16GB version. Or the iPhone 7 which starts at $649 for the 32GB version.

I'm not sure how users who could once afford the products no longer can.

Re: Apple cuts Tim Cook's pay 15% for missing sales goals

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Post by badlucklottery »

pducks32 wrote: post #91
mark_l_watson wrote: post #46

Apple's share price for the last year is up by about 10%, despite problems with disatisfation over MacBook Pro, no earphone jack, etc. Personally, the only thing I am really disappointed with is slow progress on web services. I was considering moving on from Apple myself, but decided that I like their hardware and my workflow is good on macOS and iOS (on a iPad Pro). I just bought a MacBook and when my Android phone…

Everyone I talk to in person loves their new MacBook Pro. They say it's their favorite MacBook ever.

I think the new design/specs were polarizing enough to dissuade many devs (at least in my circle) from even bothering to upgrade.

But those who were polarized in the positive direction probably got it and do love it.

Re: Apple cuts Tim Cook's pay 15% for missing sales goals

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Post by ProAm »

stupidcar wrote: post #37
rackforms wrote: post #11

How is Tim Cook still CEO of Apple? Forget sales for a moment and just consider the damage Apple's brand is suffering. $300 books, headphone jacks, unreliable cloud services, missed product launches. In may ways Apples becoming the butt of jokes, a symbol of ignorance. Apple's in total disarray right now and the most loyal followers, myself included, are either jumping ship or seriously considering. The mistakes bein…

The company you say is in "total disarray" still made $45.7bn in profit in 2016, and grew its share price by 10%. Those are the facts. Outside of the technology bubble, most people don't know or care about many of the issues you cited, or what "loyal followers" on internet forums think. Major investors, who are the only people who could force Cook out, care about the numbers. And while Apple's revenue declined this y…

> The company you say is in "total disarray" still made $45.7bn in profit in 2016, and grew its share price by 10%.

Microsoft was very profitable with Ballmer at the helm, but it can be argued he put the company in a very bad position that took them significant effort to fix and right the ship.

Re: Apple cuts Tim Cook's pay 15% for missing sales goals

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Post by tinus_hn »

artimaeis wrote: post #118
eridius wrote: post #87

Earlier quoted context omitted.

HomeKit doesn't require a proprietary Apple chip, I have no idea where you got that idea. It just has very high security standards.

> "HomeKit doesn't require a proprietary Apple chip, I have no idea where you got that idea." A few sources disagree: http://www.ibtimes.com/apple-homekit-devices-wont-include-go... > "Apple’s MFi guidelines require manufacturers to use only Wi-Fi or Bluetooth, and also include a specialized chip for authentication" http://www.digitaltrends.com/home/everything-that-works-with... > "The certification ensures that thes…

The Homebridge project provides HomeKit compatibility without Apple authorization. I don't know if Apple controls this using patents or trademarks but you don't technically need Apples authorization.

Re: Apple cuts Tim Cook's pay 15% for missing sales goals

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Post by karyon »

ChuckMcM wrote: post #90

Like others I don't shed a lot of tears when an exec makes only 89% of their multi-million dollar target bonus :-) I asked an exec at Oracle once about how it was even motivating. For much of my career I've had some sort of bonus associated with my salary, at Sun, NetApp, Google all had bonus programs (with different tweaks). And for an engineer it could be a huge thing. At Google with all the multipliers in place yo…

This sounds a bit like "my income is normal, and everyone above that is rich"-thinking that a lot of people have.(if there's a word for that i'd appreciate any hints :) ) i'd definitely consider engineers at google to be rich and don't see how another 200k makes that much of a difference. you think these execs are rich and don't see how another million makes a difference. and the execs consider billionaires to be rich and don't see how another billion makes a difference. it's just different scales, but who's actually right?

i think it's important to realise that the scale of income has an extreme range and we are already on the upper end and definitely rich by global standards. my personal opinion is that a majority of people living in the western world is actually rich and any complaints on salaries by these are just first world problems.

on a more constructive note, i think i've seen a study that said that higher salary actually does motivate more, but hits the point of diminishing returns at about (i think) 80k or 100k. I don't remember which country and whether it was $ or €, but that should give a sense of the rough order of magnitude.

Re: Apple cuts Tim Cook's pay 15% for missing sales goals

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Post by atomi »

existencebox wrote: post #85
switchstance wrote: post #12

Personally, I'd hate to have his position. I can't imagine the pressure of trying to fill the shoes of Steve.

People always say this about CEOs, but I'd take that position in an instant. I'd let someone rake hot coals over my face for 100m+ (frankly, for 10m+ as well) The problem I find is ever climbing that ladder without being in an extremely lucky position. I've had a career track I'm both proud and grateful of, and still see no "feasible" route to ever having even orders of magnitude less than that sort of earning potent…

Money fetishization.

I personally would rather be middle class and supporting something that improves the lives of all people than having exhorbitant personal wealth that insulates you from reality. Look at money as a means to an end and it becomes less of a fetish.

Re: Apple cuts Tim Cook's pay 15% for missing sales goals

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Post by coldtea »

LoSboccacc wrote: post #130
coldtea wrote: post #74

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> I swore I'd never buy a mac when I was 10 because the mouse had only 1 button It's not like "the more the better". Macs still did right click context menus (it's Control + click), and of course could accommodate two and three button mice just fine and use all of their buttons. One button mice also meant that all apps were designed to be more usable with one button operation (and interactions like drag etc) compared…

it also means every app is a mess of modals, and people likes it, for whatever reason.

Not in my experience (and I've used Windows too up to Vista and can compare). Can you give an example of how Mac apps overuse modals?
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