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Re: Apple cuts Tim Cook's pay 15% for missing sales goals

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Post by pg314 » Fri, Jan 06, 2017, 6:20 PM UTC

jonknee wrote: post #52

Retric wrote: post #36

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Would have loved, Sure. Would have done, No.

I don't have a time machine, but why do you think he wouldn't have done the book? He was responsible for the ridiculous 20th Anniversary Mac ($7499 in 1997!): https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Twentieth_Anniversary_Macintos... That's a way bigger time/money sink than allowing your designers to put together an art book of Apple products.

I don't think he was responsible for the 20th Anniversary Mac, which was released in March 1997. Apple bought NeXT in february 1997, and Jobs only be became de facto chief of Apple after Amelio was ousted in July 1997.

Re: Apple cuts Tim Cook's pay 15% for missing sales goals

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Post by Fnoord » Fri, Jan 06, 2017, 6:21 PM UTC

rackforms wrote: post #11

How is Tim Cook still CEO of Apple? Forget sales for a moment and just consider the damage Apple's brand is suffering. $300 books, headphone jacks, unreliable cloud services, missed product launches. In may ways Apples becoming the butt of jokes, a symbol of ignorance. Apple's in total disarray right now and the most loyal followers, myself included, are either jumping ship or seriously considering. The mistakes bein…

> $300 books, headphone jacks, unreliable cloud services, missed product launches.

Don't forget all the criticism towards MBP 2016.

> So I ask again? Why benefit is Apple gaining keeping him on?

Who says they aren't, or won't? This is what is publicly seen as a slap on the wrist.

It is a smart way to perform damage control. It is basically saying to the criticism towards Apple [from both shareholders as well as users]: "we know, we screwed up, you are right" without going into detail on who or what is exactly right.

Re: Apple cuts Tim Cook's pay 15% for missing sales goals

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Post by DoodleBuggy » Fri, Jan 06, 2017, 6:21 PM UTC

rackforms wrote: post #11

How is Tim Cook still CEO of Apple? Forget sales for a moment and just consider the damage Apple's brand is suffering. $300 books, headphone jacks, unreliable cloud services, missed product launches. In may ways Apples becoming the butt of jokes, a symbol of ignorance. Apple's in total disarray right now and the most loyal followers, myself included, are either jumping ship or seriously considering. The mistakes bein…

Who would be the alternative?

Scott Forstall was probably the next best bet, and he was ousted long ago.

Re: Apple cuts Tim Cook's pay 15% for missing sales goals

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Post by coldtea » Fri, Jan 06, 2017, 6:21 PM UTC

brilliantcode wrote: post #27

rackforms wrote: post #11

How is Tim Cook still CEO of Apple? Forget sales for a moment and just consider the damage Apple's brand is suffering. $300 books, headphone jacks, unreliable cloud services, missed product launches. In may ways Apples becoming the butt of jokes, a symbol of ignorance. Apple's in total disarray right now and the most loyal followers, myself included, are either jumping ship or seriously considering. The mistakes bein…

I swore I'd never buy a mac when I was 10 because the mouse had only 1 button. I have the same feelings when I look at the latest macbook but using the previous years macbook I must say I can see the appeal and I might consider buying one. It's funny that just when the public ire is growing I discover myself wanting to buy it....but the new chromebook from google with stylus pen and keyboard that can be flipped into…

>I swore I'd never buy a mac when I was 10 because the mouse had only 1 button

It's not like "the more the better".

Macs still did right click context menus (it's Control + click), and of course could accommodate two and three button mice just fine and use all of their buttons.

One button mice also meant that all apps were designed to be more usable with one button operation (and interactions like drag etc) compared to merely stuffing important stuff in context menus.

Re: Apple cuts Tim Cook's pay 15% for missing sales goals

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Post by ashark » Fri, Jan 06, 2017, 6:22 PM UTC

mpg33 wrote: post #49

rackforms wrote: post #11

How is Tim Cook still CEO of Apple? Forget sales for a moment and just consider the damage Apple's brand is suffering. $300 books, headphone jacks, unreliable cloud services, missed product launches. In may ways Apples becoming the butt of jokes, a symbol of ignorance. Apple's in total disarray right now and the most loyal followers, myself included, are either jumping ship or seriously considering. The mistakes bein…

Ports aren't really an issue to me...in a couple of years everything will be USB-C and/or wireless charging/headphones anyway. Big issue is Apple has no new innovative products. Apple Watch isn't really enough of new product to drive iphone like sales at least not yet and there is nothing else on the horizon.

> Ports aren't really an issue to me...in a couple of years everything will be USB-C and/or wireless charging/headphones anyway.

Everything new maybe, but old audio gear, monitors/tvs/keyboards/drives, et c stick around a hell of a long time. I'll be surprised if my family's at more than 20% of peripherals, displays, and audio equipment on bluetooth/USBC in 5 years, personally. Probably more like 5-10%. 10 years? That's another story. Assuming the standard hasn't shifted again.

Re: Apple cuts Tim Cook's pay 15% for missing sales goals

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Post by DoodleBuggy » Fri, Jan 06, 2017, 6:22 PM UTC

cust0m wrote: post #18

rackforms wrote: post #11

How is Tim Cook still CEO of Apple? Forget sales for a moment and just consider the damage Apple's brand is suffering. $300 books, headphone jacks, unreliable cloud services, missed product launches. In may ways Apples becoming the butt of jokes, a symbol of ignorance. Apple's in total disarray right now and the most loyal followers, myself included, are either jumping ship or seriously considering. The mistakes bein…

I don't understand why I can't plug the lightning headphone that comes with my brand new apple phone in my brand new apple notebook.

Or why you can't plug the USB cable from your brand new iPhone into your brand new MacBook Pro?

The list goes on and on.

Re: Apple cuts Tim Cook's pay 15% for missing sales goals

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Post by guelo » Fri, Jan 06, 2017, 6:22 PM UTC

coldtea wrote: post #62

sbuttgereit wrote: post #56

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Your comments aren't unfair nor even incorrect. However, there is something systemically wrong inside of Apple that those with a gift for "hyperbole" might call total disarray. Yes, I would be happy to take their recent results in my own business and wouldn't at all be disappointed. You could also point out that management may well be taking the long view of a post-Jobs Apple and giving Cook room to find that Apple o…

> Your comments aren't unfair nor even incorrect. However, there is something systemically wrong inside of Apple that those with a gift for "hyperbole" might call total disarray. Yes, but then again, those without a gift for prophecy had called Apple's impeding DOOM several times a year since 2001.

That doesn't mean they'll be wrong forever.

Re: Apple cuts Tim Cook's pay 15% for missing sales goals

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Post by coldtea » Fri, Jan 06, 2017, 6:22 PM UTC

cust0m wrote: post #18

rackforms wrote: post #11

How is Tim Cook still CEO of Apple? Forget sales for a moment and just consider the damage Apple's brand is suffering. $300 books, headphone jacks, unreliable cloud services, missed product launches. In may ways Apples becoming the butt of jokes, a symbol of ignorance. Apple's in total disarray right now and the most loyal followers, myself included, are either jumping ship or seriously considering. The mistakes bein…

I don't understand why I can't plug the lightning headphone that comes with my brand new apple phone in my brand new apple notebook.

Because the headphones are meant for the phone?

Re: Apple cuts Tim Cook's pay 15% for missing sales goals

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Post by aetherson » Fri, Jan 06, 2017, 6:23 PM UTC

liveify wrote: post #53

stupidcar wrote: post #37

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The company you say is in "total disarray" still made $45.7bn in profit in 2016, and grew its share price by 10%. Those are the facts. Outside of the technology bubble, most people don't know or care about many of the issues you cited, or what "loyal followers" on internet forums think. Major investors, who are the only people who could force Cook out, care about the numbers. And while Apple's revenue declined this y…

I completely agree. Very few people outside of HN and r/apple that I have talked to have negative opinions of what Apple is doing. I see no evidence that Apple's products are becoming less popular. The iPhone is still the go to smartphone that I would recommend to anyone. I have switched back and forth between iPhone and Android since they came out, but I would never recommend an Android phone to a casual user. If th…

You don't think that declining sales and revenues are evidence that Apple's products are becoming less popular?

Re: Apple cuts Tim Cook's pay 15% for missing sales goals

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Post by coldtea » Fri, Jan 06, 2017, 6:23 PM UTC

27182818284 wrote: post #26

rackforms wrote: post #11

How is Tim Cook still CEO of Apple? Forget sales for a moment and just consider the damage Apple's brand is suffering. $300 books, headphone jacks, unreliable cloud services, missed product launches. In may ways Apples becoming the butt of jokes, a symbol of ignorance. Apple's in total disarray right now and the most loyal followers, myself included, are either jumping ship or seriously considering. The mistakes bein…

I have thought about Tim Cook being fired / stepping down as well. Myself and other close friends and family are all pulling away from Apple at the current moment. As I've mentioned on HN before, after the last MacBook launch I saw self-described Apple fan-boys loudly complaining about Apple's current path. The function bar is absolutely useless for me and I think the machine itself is only 20% better than my 2012 mo…

>I have thought about Tim Cook being fired / stepping down as well. Myself and other close friends and family are all pulling away from Apple at the current moment.

Not sure about the impact that will have, but my family and friends are doubling down on Apple purchases, so our anecdotes probably cancel each other out.