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Re: Vivaldi – A Browser for Our Friends

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Post by bigbugbag »

Aoyagi wrote: post #105
fredoralive wrote: post #89

Vivaldi is frustrating, as it nearly implements all the bits of Opera I use, but there are odd bits where it falls short The main thing for me is the fact that tab minimisation doesn't work correctly, sometimes tabs you've minimised get selected, sometimes even when there are unminimised tabs. It's just wrong, and the tab handling was one of the main reasons I used Opera Beyond that there's a lack of a bookmark menu,…

One of the most frustrating things for me is the lack of Dragonfly...

and live editing of html source from cache.

Re: Vivaldi – A Browser for Our Friends

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Post by bigbugbag »

warcode wrote: post #82

Been using Vivaldi for probably a year, but I am now looking for a new browser. Too many media/crash issues have started popping up with running the browser without hardware acceleration enabled. And the options that let me disable it in the first place have been removed. I guess all I really want is chrome without the tracking.

What you want is iron, which was available since pretty much the early day of chrome.

here: https://www.srware.net/en/software_srware_iron.php and this: https://www.srware.net/en/software_srware_iron_chrome_vs_iro...

You could also have a look at epic over there: https://www.epicbrowser.com/

Re: Vivaldi – A Browser for Our Friends

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Post by bigbugbag »

executesorder66 wrote: post #81
Karunamon wrote: post #35

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If I had a penny for every useless, unmaintained, and outdated open source project...

The great thing about useless, unmaintened, and outdated open source projects, is that anyone can pick it up, and turn it into a useful, maintained and updated project. If it was a closed source project you'd have to start from scratch every time if you wanted to restart the project.

This is quite a bold statement to make. Instead of anyone you should have said someone, particularly someone with a large amount of money, free time and will, in other words very few people. Depending on the size and complexity of the project it could be too much for a single someone to attempt.

It is not unheard of that someone tried and abandoned but would probably have achieved their goal by starting from scratch rather that attempting to revive an outdated unmaintained project.

Re: Vivaldi – A Browser for Our Friends

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Post by bigbugbag »

joshuata wrote: post #42
gkya wrote: post #13

I could've given it a try if it was opensource. But because it's closed I immediately classify it as vaporware, and as the browser is one of the two centers of my daily computing (the other being emacs), I won't invest in vaporware. I believe that opensourcing is the best choice of the company behind this.

The source is available at https://vivaldi.com/source/?lang=en_US

Why is everyone so confused about this, is it really so difficult to read the about of vivaldi or the first paragraph of the EULA ?

Re: Vivaldi – A Browser for Our Friends

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Post by bigbugbag »

gkya wrote: post #48
joshuata wrote: post #42

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The source is available at https://vivaldi.com/source/?lang=en_US

What about the licence? There are five-six xz'ed tarballs there, each ~600 MBs.

Copyright 2017 Vivaldi Technologies AS. All rights reserved.

1. This End User License Agreement ("EULA") governs your use ("You") of the browser software in executable form ("Software") and any ancillary services ("Services") provided to You by Vivaldi Technology AS ("Vivaldi") to the exclusion of all other terms and conditions. Source code used in the Software, under open source license agreements, can be obtained at https://vivaldi.com/source.

Re: Vivaldi – A Browser for Our Friends

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Post by bigbugbag »

tornadoboy55 wrote: post #54
gkya wrote: post #13

I could've given it a try if it was opensource. But because it's closed I immediately classify it as vaporware, and as the browser is one of the two centers of my daily computing (the other being emacs), I won't invest in vaporware. I believe that opensourcing is the best choice of the company behind this.

> Closed source = vaporware Then why has Firefox been the 'shit' browser for the better part of a decade now? Best battery life (usually by a 2-4h difference!) -> use Edge/Safari Best stability -> use Chrome Best performance -> use Blink-based browser Most extensions -> use Firefox (Chrome has 90% of the FF extensions available though) Hell, Firefox still doesn't have e10s fully working, so one tab takes down the ent…

You want to give domination of the internet to one giant tax evading transnational advertising company -> use chrome / blink based browser.

Sorry but not everyone thinks in short term personal interest, some prefer to see the internet and web as a collective good that has to be preserved with a long term vision.

I have a lot of criticism of mozilla and firefox but I would not ever advise anyone to use a GAFM (Google, Apple, Facebook, Microsoft) product or service.

Re: Vivaldi – A Browser for Our Friends

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Post by bigbugbag »

jhasse wrote: post #130
cphoover wrote: post #64

aren't we kinda passed the days of closed source browsers?

Safari and Edge are closed-source, Google Chrome (not Chromium) is too, in some way.

I wonder in which way chrome is not proprietary. AFAIK it is 100% proprietary freeware, at least this my understanding of the legal terms in the ToS / EULA: https://www.google.com/intl/en/chrome/browser/privacy/eula_t...

Re: Vivaldi – A Browser for Our Friends

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Post by jhasse »

bigbugbag wrote: post #138
jhasse wrote: post #130

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Safari and Edge are closed-source, Google Chrome (not Chromium) is too, in some way.

I wonder in which way chrome is not proprietary. AFAIK it is 100% proprietary freeware, at least this my understanding of the legal terms in the ToS / EULA: https://www.google.com/intl/en/chrome/browser/privacy/eula_t...

In the way that you can build a very similar version of it (Chromium) from source code released under OSS licenses. You can't do that with Edge, Safari or Vivaldi.

Re: Vivaldi – A Browser for Our Friends

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Post by bigbugbag »

StevePerkins wrote: post #46

I check in on Vivaldi every few months to see how it's coming along, and there are some things that I like. However, I think they're a bit TOO fixated on Opera as it was 15 years ago. I keep waiting for bookmark sync, which today is a fundamental browser feature rather than a nice-to-have. But the Vivaldi guys insist on pouring resources into an integrated desktop email client instead, because that was a signature fe…

> I keep waiting for bookmark sync, which today is a fundamental browser feature rather than a nice-to-have.

Is it really ? I have not used bookmarks since del.icio.us and never need any bookmarks sync as my bookmarks are not in the browser but in my wallabag.

> it's probably no exaggeration to say that most users haven't used a desktop email client in over a decade. So why is such a retro throwback feature prioritized so high?

my grandma, my grandpa, my mum, my dad, ... well everyone but my little cousin who only use a smartphone uses an email client, mostly thunderbird. This feature is prioritized so high because it is one, if not the most requested feature through user feedback

> Another example is right-clicking a link in Vivaldi, to open it in a new tab.

I don't know what you are talking about. Just click a few pixels below on "open link in a background tab" instead of "open link in a new tab", problem solved.

> I just don't WANT Opera from 15 years ago. (...) I want other browsers to mirror Chrome.

Well then Vivaldi is not for you, just use any other browser. What I like about vivaldi is that it does not try to be like chrome and instead cater to power users like me and try to fulfill needs that other browser do not because they are too busy trying to be like chrome (which I dislike and never used on my boxes).

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